Rusty's not very quiet cuda progress

So I stuck a couple of panels in to see what they look like, the little kicks should be fine down there in the dark! 20230519_141304.jpg
The repair is all right where it shows on the outer edge, you can see them I guess I just hope they don't open up again.20230519_141535.jpg
Inside looks pretty good. 20230519_141612.jpg
So then I fought with the molding clips, more than half were missing, got mostly old extras off the other car in the rear with one repro new one, the front was missing a lot too, had to use 6 or 7 of the repops, but since I don't even have a windshield that will be down the road.

Still missing 3 on the lower passenger side, never took that glass out so I couldn't drill for the screw in type! May ooze some silicone under there but it seems to stay without20230519_152326.jpg
So I messed with the trunk lid a bit, now I'm thinking the back corner is bent up, it doesn't follow the quarter & the rear lip is straight down instead of bent in a little??20230519_153506.jpg
The rest of it looks pretty well aligned. 20230519_153538.jpg
 
Quality control and factory fitment during this period was horrible. Striving for that "perfection" to something that never had it is the bane of our hobby. You may find that this particular issue occurred on every one built that year. A "factory flaw" that was "close enough".
 
That's pretty bad to have been "good enough" Not sure if I have any cure for it?

Woo Hoo, got the boy to help me with the other door today, got that on & pretty close on the alignment & then things went south. 20230521_135418.jpg
Yesterday I pulled out the quarter glass & hardware, looking at it I was lost, for a guy who did this all once before I can't seem to remember anything.
Looked over the manual last night & started to piece it together today, with the look over & the pics I took I got a decent start, regulator & guide in & then hit a dead end, seems the down stop assembly is missing, not sure I can get that on with the guide in so that was the end of that! 20230521_135733.jpg
Pulled out the other side & oh my it's all painted up nice, how did I forget the other side??20230521_132724.jpg
The black piece at the bottom is what's missing on the other.
went through half my boxes nothing yet, still have these to go through but looking at my markings I'm doubtful.
I do have a pic of it before going into the tumbler. 20230521_151733.jpg
 
And now the rest of the story!
Finally nailed my son down & we got the passenger door on & aligned pretty close. View attachment 25342View attachment 25343
Been a LONG time coming, but at least one side is getting close to done. Now I know I'll put off that door glass as long as possible it will be a battle!
Picking up my friend's buffer so I can get some trim ready & then install the upper seals.
So far the door opens & closes nicely. View attachment 25344View attachment 25345
A trick I've learned over the years: set the door 1/16" high at the back end when its installed as a bare shell.
The weight of the glass, regulator, and other stuff will bring it down when all is said and done.
 
Maybe I lucked out, they are both just a tad high in the back, was waiting till I put the door seal on the bottom to see what that screws up?
 
Had a great day today, good ole Mr 340 (Donnie) came over to hang out & work on the car a bit.
In between looking over the motor we managed to get the door glass in the passenger side, probably still have a ton of adjusting to do but the install went fairly smooth.
Now to the pesky motor that I've been worrying about for months after my rebuild guy backed out.
If you remember it had adjustable rockers with hydraulic lifters, Donnie had given me a set of stock rockers years ago, I started cleaning em up today! 20230523_161824.jpg
we pulled the valve covers, the manifold & the oil pan, for the black goop that used to be oil that came out it looked pretty clean in there top & bottom.
No shavings to be found anywhere & He thought the cam looked ok, no flat spots at the points?
In the pan I found a rocker adjusting bolt, it got squished pretty good on the way down there & my oil pickup was flopping around it broke off the pipe. Other than that we found no other oblivious damage.
We were able to get some #'s off the bottom of the pistons, they are TRW's #463-99, 30 over 11.5 to 1 comp. Domed units.
On the rockers as we spun the motor drivers side all had a little play at the top, on the pass side No play except one that was very loose & it had a different adjuster set up, assuming that's the one I found in the oil pan. 20230523_161806.jpg
Sooooooooooooo at this point I'm buying new lifters, push rods & a set of new freeze out plugs, clean paint get a new oil pan, valve covers & manifold put it in & pray that was my engine noise?

I'm trying to find stock parts if not I'll just get MP's or something?

So for a change I had a pretty good car day with great company, yippie!

Oh yea, what we could see of the bottom half of the cylinder walls looked good?
 
Found the down stop on ebay, but it was part of the whole thing, 60 bucks out the window, but free shipping, I would have told the guy just ship me the downstop & sell the rest again, I'll probably find mine the day after I put this one in
 
Had a great day today, good ole Mr 340 (Donnie) came over to hang out & work on the car a bit.
In between looking over the motor we managed to get the door glass in the passenger side, probably still have a ton of adjusting to do but the install went fairly smooth.
Now to the pesky motor that I've been worrying about for months after my rebuild guy backed out.
If you remember it had adjustable rockers with hydraulic lifters, Donnie had given me a set of stock rockers years ago, I started cleaning em up today! View attachment 25389
we pulled the valve covers, the manifold & the oil pan, for the black goop that used to be oil that came out it looked pretty clean in there top & bottom.
No shavings to be found anywhere & He thought the cam looked ok, no flat spots at the points?
In the pan I found a rocker adjusting bolt, it got squished pretty good on the way down there & my oil pickup was flopping around it broke off the pipe. Other than that we found no other oblivious damage.
We were able to get some #'s off the bottom of the pistons, they are TRW's #463-99, 30 over 11.5 to 1 comp. Domed units.
On the rockers as we spun the motor drivers side all had a little play at the top, on the pass side No play except one that was very loose & it had a different adjuster set up, assuming that's the one I found in the oil pan. View attachment 25388
Sooooooooooooo at this point I'm buying new lifters, push rods & a set of new freeze out plugs, clean paint get a new oil pan, valve covers & manifold put it in & pray that was my engine noise?

I'm trying to find stock parts if not I'll just get MP's or something?

So for a change I had a pretty good car day with great company, yippie!

Oh yea, what we could see of the bottom half of the cylinder walls looked good?
I don't know about relying on a piece found in the oil pan to blame engine noise on. It will be a win if you're right though.

Reusing the cam and lifters prevents break in trouble. Of course be sure you don't mix up the lifters while you're looking around. Are planning to check any bearings? Do you have any idea what cam is in it, and why it's got adjustable rockers? If I'd have known you had a set of 273 rockers (looks like the adjuster for those in the photo) I would've bought them. Too late now I've got a set.
 
Yea, that's hoping for miracles , the oil pickup was also dangling off the end of the pipe, the "knock" for the lack of a better description went away after a short warm up.
I'll pull the cover again & take a pick of the rockers & the funky one that was loose. that might have been the noise?
Maybe I have parts to sell to get a few bucks back?
Now if I buy new lifters & push rods what will that screw up?
 
If you replace the lifters you have to break them in again and that risks the chance of failure.

If the cam isn't something radical you could just use a factory rocker setup shafts pushrods and all. And yes, you could sell those adjustable rockers.
 
So my thoughts go like this..........................

The pistons show this motor's been worked, now how many miles ago I have no idea, not knowing what work if any (more than the adjustable rockers) was done to the heads I don't dare remove because I won't know what gasket to buy??? then we are back to finding a machine shop to check those.
Got lucky those pistons had markings on the bottom to tell that story.
I think to ease my mind I'm going to spring for one more tool that I'll never use again, a compression tester, if that's good I'll feel a lot better about this decision!
 
If you replace the lifters you have to break them in again and that risks the chance of failure.

If the cam isn't something radical you could just use a factory rocker setup shafts pushrods and all. And yes, you could sell those adjustable rockers.
OK then for now I should skip the lifters & just get the factory pushrods & hope the lifters are good?

So here's a pick of the rockers, 3rd one in has the different adjuster, oh yea that wasn't the loose one the last one in the back was the loose one. 20230524_141204.jpg
 
So todays adventure went pretty well, 2 days in a row I better take a month off.
Got the door seals in, the upper belt moulding/seal on the top of the door, less 2 screws, even with the bottom rubber bumper not in yet I couldn't clear the glass.
20230524_150321.jpg20230524_144553.jpgStuck in the new bottom bumper.20230524_150331.jpg& then played with the glass adjustment a bit. 20230524_143835.jpglined up pretty close to the lip, was out a little top front & rear20230524_143909.jpggot that pretty good with the guide adjustments, all I need is a little up in the rear which may come with the final door adjustments if that doesn't screw up all the rest?20230524_160610.jpg20230524_160636.jpgEven stuck on a shiny new window crank! 20230524_150346.jpg
 

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A compression tester will let you know if all eight cylinders are equal... and, that's about all it can tell you. Without taking the heads off--and I'm not suggesting that--you really have no way of knowing what you've got.
If those are 3418915 "J" heads, they're open chamber (and quite good) but you've no idea if/how much they've been milled and hence, the chamber volume. I'm not sure what's on the bottoms of the pistons, but if it's not stamped or hand-scribed, they're cast. That most likely means they're nothing particularly wild. The only meaningful markings on any of my forged pistons are stamped in the top.

Here's the trick, though: My 340 has pistons that are .026" above the deck at TDC and (had) ~70cc heads, with a .027" thick gasket. I would bet you a crisp $20 bill it had lower cranking compression than a stock '68 318 with its pistons .100" down the hole at TDC and ~58cc chambers. Why? The camshaft. The solid roller cam in the 340 has oodles of overlap, a narrow lobe separation angle, and lifters that don't squish down. It doesn't start to make torque until north of 4,000RPM. The '68 318 has a much higher LSA, far less overlap, and hydraulic lifters. All of those things keeps more air in the cylinders for a longer time. The 318 might have 160PSI cranking and my 340 145PSI (I've never measured).
There's nothing wrong with the 340; it's just how the camshaft affects dynamic compression--the actual compression of a rotating engine, rather than the static measurement of volume @ TDC v. volume at BDC. The 318 is a full point lower static compression than the 340 but higher in dynamic at compression-test RPM levels. At higher RPM, hydraulic lifters begin to act like solids and the 318's dynamic ratio drops too, getting closer to that of the 340. But as the RPM reaches the big end of the tachometer, those same factors (especially the cam) keep the 318 from moving enough air to hang with the 340's potential for RPM. The 318 can't even reach my mid-7,000RPM shift point, much less make any power up there.

Now that you got an unwanted lesson...

You can't calculate your compression ratio from a compression test, but it will tell you if the cylinders are equally healthy. If they're all within about 10PSI, that's fine. A better way to compare actual health would be a leakdown test. If all eight cylinders had 130PSI or so, but a leakdown test of one cylinder showed 15% blowby, that would mean the engine's pretty worn. I wouldn't expect to see that if you think the engine's been overhauled.

As far as the valvetrain situation, let sleeping dogs lie below the level of the heads. Leave the cam and lifters alone, assuming you know each lifter is on its correct lobe. If you don't want the adjustable rockers, replace them with the ones @mr340 gave you (after a good cleaning) and new stock-length pushrods for non-adjustable rockers and a hydraulic cam, preferably something a little beefier than stock. Just look 'em up for a '72 340 at your speed vendor of choice. You don't even have to remove the intake to do it, just be certain you get each pushrod centered in its lifter. I do it by feel, but you can see down there with a penlight if you need visual confirmation. DO NOT DROP A PUSHROD. ;) They can travel all the way to the oil pan given the right circumstance.

If the lifters got mixed up, you've gotta at least break 'em in again but you really should replace them. 99% of failed cams/lifters are due to improper break-in, so making sure everything's as right as possible before you twist the key is paramount. Timing, oiling, etc. If you have to shut down during the cam break-in, just go ahead and buy a new cam and lifters. It won't be OK, no matter how strongly you think or hope it will. If you have to do a new break-in, let me know before posting that something went wrong and you had to shut it down ten minutes into the process. I'll give you a "pre-flight" checklist that'll make it go as smoothly as possible and reduce the chances of having to stop before it's fully heat-cycled.
 
OK, start with the lifters, still in place I didn't pull anything out just did a good look over with Donnie.
So unless I find a bad lifter down the road I will go with what's in there, just change to the factory rockers & pick up the pushrods is summit a good choice for those?
I know I'm on a wing & prayer here, but if I can save this beast for 1000 or so in parts, it beats the hell out of a 6 or 7 K rebuild.
I'm never gonna race it, cruise mostly, goose it now & then, but not the abuse I did 50 years ago!

I do want a different manifold so I can do the pushrods while it's off to be sure I at least get them in the freakin hole!

The #'s under the pistons were raised metal so they are cast.
 
Rock auto has the oil pump & pickup also the pushrods out of the 72 340 here are some choices what brand is best the prices are pretty close?

push rods

enginetech 5/16th ball both ends # epr324 .312 x 7.500"
melling #mpr324
Melling oversize length 0.03 over
SBI #1901450 7.500 lengthx060 diameter.

oil pick up
melling #7252 looks like same reg metal as original $22.79
sealed power #2241166 different color metal 24.79

oil pump
engine teck value line EPK159 (22.79)
engine tech EP72 (42.79
Melling M72 also (42.79)

also have high volume oil pumps
add in ultra power($38) & sealed power ($100) to melling ($84) & enginetech ($83)
 
OK, start with the lifters, still in place I didn't pull anything out just did a good look over with Donnie.
So unless I find a bad lifter down the road...
If you're going to change the manifold anyhow, you may as well look now. Pull each lifter off its lobe and look at its face and cam lobe. The lifter face should not look concave, and the lobe should not show any scoring or abrasion. Do this one at a time, putting the lifter back in its bore before checking the next one. Can't make a boo-boo that way.

...just change to the factory rockers & pick up the pushrods is summit a good choice for those?
Yes. As mentioned, I'd go a little heavier than stock. Someone's been in there, and who knows what they did for valvesprings. I'd rather have a little too much pushrod than not enough. Something like Comp part #7820-16 would likely do the trick.

I'm never gonna race it, cruise mostly, goose it now & then, but not the abuse I did 50 years ago!
That's why I'm not insisting it needs a bunch of new parts. I'm assuming you heard this thing run at some point, so if it didn't make a bunch of noise or smoke, let sleeping dogs lie. I definitely approve of the new oil pump and pickup; Melling has always been my go-to brand there. I wouldn't necessarily suggest a high-volume pump in this application. I doubt it was set up with race clearances.
On the subject of oiling and clearances, do not use the banana-groove rocker shafts from the 273 rockers with the standard stamped rockers. Use the ones he gave you; you'll be fine. The banana groove is designed for a close-fitting rocker arm and has extra oiling holes that will simply shoot oil around, lower the oil pressure, and generally not do your bottom end any favors--anything being wasted in the heads ain't getting to the crank.

I do want a different manifold so I can do the pushrods while it's off to be sure I at least get them in the freakin hole!
What manifold have you currently got? The stock '72-up TQ intake is actually quite good (better than the standard Edelbrock Performer, in fact). The Performer would be fine for cruising and ice-cream runs since it makes a bit more basement-level torque than the stocker, but it's not really worth the expense over something you've already got. The LD340 is, of course, the all-time favorite, but very expensive and they're all used. Performer RPM is also very good, as is the Weiand Stealth and Action Plus. Normally I'm not a big fan of dual-planes, but for mostly putzin' around you'll enjoy the slight shift of the power toward the low end of the tach scale.
 
Taking a break from cleaning the shafts as we speak, I did the outside of a couple of rockers with the wire wheel but getting down in the inside was gonna be small wheels on a drill, so I decided to give the tumble first crack at them.
It has a high rise now, the darn coil was just laying in there, I somehow have an extra bracket & would LOVE a stock manifold, I have one source (Jerry Stien) that already said he had stock valve covers & oil pan, I have to ask about the other parts before I start shopping.

I'll go out & get some pics of the manifold.

Oh yea when we had the manifold off we rolled the engine & Donnie checked the rise of the lobs for flat spots, there was no visible scoring on the cam itself. I'll check the lifters when I do the pushrods.
 
For curiosity's sake I looked up the 360, they showed the exact same ones as for the 340.
with one added high proformance set 4x the price

5/16dia x 7.513 height x .065 wall thickness 350lb max spring pressure
4130 seamless chrome moly ? on these what does that extra length do to the setup?

Or I can just use your part # at summit?
 

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