My 71 Duster work in progress

I hadn't thought about the baffles not clearing the rocker arms, but a 360 should have plenty of room, right? Sure it will.

The top of the baffle that I can see is as disgusting as the rest of the cover is. I had kind of thought it's not like there's going to be oil flowing across that to wash anything out, but still. It's not under the add cap so that's not a problem either.

I should've taken them, the oil pan, and the timing cover up with the engine to have them tanked. I just didn't think. I'll have to go back up before it's all done no doubt and I'll do the valve covers then. I already wasted a couple of hours fooling around cleaning up the pan and timing cover.

FWIW today is the last day of the week the machinist said he'd be getting back to me. I don't want to be a pest so I'll wait a few days more.
 
I'm looking at clutches and see Brewer's offers diaphragms by Centerforce and MacLeod. I was surprised the CF is over twice the price of the ML. What in the world could justify that?

CF: Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists
ML: Brewer's Performance - Mopar A833 4-Speed Transmission and Component Specialists
I would say that at my age I'm not interested in buying the wrong thing and having to replace it anytime soon (ever), but that was true at any age. Pulling a 4-speed ain't nothing to take lightly. Yes, that was a pun.

I called the machine shop yesterday and he said he had dropped the ball on my parts. I give up, it's just the way everybody here is except for me. They've been through the tank, the crank needs polished, going to measure the block again to decide if it needs bored or not. Supposedly he'll get back to me in a day or two. It's not like I can take it somewhere else 🤷‍♂️

Right there has to be the worst shrug emoticon I've ever seen, but it looks like the tiny guy has thrown his hands up, which pretty much describes the way I feel about trying to hire help around this place.
 
I guess it depends on how hard you're going to run the thing, but I don't see the Centerforce being worth $300 more. I do like the dual-friction concept, but I've heard mixed reviews about longevity (which also seems to be the case with the pressure plate). I do have a dual-friction disc, but due to my undying disdain for all clutches diaphragm, it was purchased for use with a Borg & Beck plate. I believe I bought that for the Imperial; it remains unused at the moment.

I have a McLeod pressure plate in my '69--so far, so good--but it's B&B. The disc is actually a RAM unit. The only experience I know of personally with McLeod is their RXT dual-disc clutches. Kev had one in his Charger, and loved it for the short time that it worked. However, Hughes had installed his rear main seal backward. The clutch was smote with only a couple hundred miles on it, and of course Hughes--who sold it to him, insisting he needed it--told him to go do unspeakable things to his headwear. They also made him pay freight both ways for their f-ups.

I will say this: I expected the clutch in the '69 to be a bit of a bear. It is, but that bear's name is Teddy. It's actually very light despite having a Borg & Beck plate. Kev attended some kind of Q&A with one of the Chrysler engineers from that era--a name you'd know, but it escapes me at the moment--and that fella said the '67-'69 A-body pedals were the ones to have for performace use because they have a shorter throw. That means less leverage and hence more pedal effort. Apparently they decreased the pedal effort for '70. My pedals came from a '72 and I'm using the stock fork & linkage, with a sub-3,000lb plate. My Mom could've driven that car.
 
I agree, there's something missing there for a $300 increase. I don't get it. I'm glad I noticed it because I was going to blindly just buy a CF setup.

If I decide to go with a McLeod I'll likely step up a level (just noticed the link above is the lowest level offered). That's still ~$200 less than the CF. (McLeod comes with TO bearing, that is extra on the CF kit price)
 
I called the machine shop yesterday and he said he had dropped the ball on my parts. I give up, it's just the way everybody here is except for me. They've been through the tank, the crank needs polished, going to measure the block again to decide if it needs bored or not. Supposedly he'll get back to me in a day or two. It's not like I can take it somewhere else 🤷‍♂️

Right there has to be the worst shrug emoticon I've ever seen, but it looks like the tiny guy has thrown his hands up, which pretty much describes the way I feel about trying to hire help around this place.
Another week goes by and I'm starting to understand why Blueprint sells so many engines.
 
I hadn't thought about the baffles not clearing the rocker arms, but a 360 should have plenty of room, right? Sure it will.
I have a .586"-lift solid roller with MP/Crane aluminum rockers. Those are chunky in shape and move a great distance. Unless you're planning similar, you probably won't have an issue. I turned the engine over manually and watched the unbolted valve covers go up and down as the valvetrain moved, so out came the baffles. I did make new, much smaller baffles placed high in the covers. They're probably not as effective but it's something.

Another week goes by and I'm starting to understand why Blueprint sells so many engines.
I hope you didn't give him any money upfront. That's the fastest way to piss-poor service I've yet found.
Call him again. Ask him if he's so busy you'd be better off taking the stuff elsewhere. There's always an elsewhere, even if you have to drive a bit. "I want to get this done, but after two weeks with my parts you haven't even given me a hint of what any of them needs. Should I find another shop?" Other than places doing high-end specialty racing stuff, local machine shops are fading out. It sounds like this guy will too if he doesn't start getting after his work.
 
No money has changed hands.

It's a buddy business - they get to strangers' work once their buddies' jobs are done. Then the buddy jobs never quit coming and the other work never gets done.

IOW, it's easy to dick people around when you're the only show within a hundred miles.
 
I'm going to wait until the end of the week to call. It's kind of messed up but every hobby has buddy companies in it. I know I was naïve to forget about that when setting expectations. It is likely related to why there were a dozen blocks or more sitting and waiting their turn. They probably belonged to people who know he's the only show in town and don't want to piss him off.

He mentioned a rush of race customers and knowing how that works they come back year after year and end up on the buddy list.

Thinking about bringing the car back over here and pulling the engine/trans and painting underhood to a good enough standard while it's out. I may be able to get the rattle can black off without spraying any new, but I doubt it. The car was B5 to begin with. The body has been orange and now white. I guess the engine bay was painted black when the body went to orange since the blue is right under the black.

The problem with that is, I'm running out of room to stash things in my garage.
 
In fairness to him, if he's building race engines for repeat customers, they give him their rules and specs and he builds the whole deal for 'em. That's good money for his shop, since he's probably providing a lot of the parts, hence making some markup there. So, yeah--the $15,000 job might take precedence over yours. By the same token, I'd think he'd be coming out of his busy season. Down that way, I'd guess the tracks are open or will be very soon.
Something similar happened to me at the last machine shop to touch any of my blocks, but those guys were just flat-out terrible. All they had to do was blueprint and final-bore/hone a block that was already .018" over (only going to .020"), plus milling a set of big-block heads. Every time I called it was like they'd never heard of me. High turnover was part of it, to the point where I'd only deal with the owner. That idiot died, and within a year the place was closed. 'Twas a fast fall for a national-level circle-track engine builder. However, the day after I dropped my block there (a Thursday), a friend ordered a complete, rule-spec stock car engine ($14,000+). He picked his engine up one week later. Machining my block took another year and a half.
 
There were 3 complete engines on stands that looked like they were ready for pickup, or maybe they had been dropped off to freshen up. Either way there has to be more money in building those, for sure.

I was planning on getting at least the pistons from him if he was close in price.

It's going to need, at least:
tanked (done)
bored .030, honed to fit pistons (last time I talked to him he was pretty sure they're too worn to save)
lifter bores honed
crank polished (checked out OK)
new rod bolts and resized
pistons/pins pressed on the rods
possible reworking of the heads depending on the cost

I haven't called back yet.

I pressure tested the current engine last night and it squirted coolant, but that was no surprise with the bad threads in one exhaust bolt hole.

I also started looking at the 4 speed transmission. It was stuck in at least two gears, and the shifter didn't seem to be working right either. I pulled the side cover to free that up and found the rear slider doesn't want to move at all with or without the shifter fork. I knew it was going to have to come apart but was hoping nothing was broken but something sure seems at least worn out in there.

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It looks like it's been overshifted. You might--important word, might--be able to depress the dog keys (there are three) and slide it back into position. One key is visible in the photo, the other two are equally spaced around the synchro. It's a bit of screwing around, but if you futz with it you may well get it slid back. It's hard to 'splain, but I've done it. Sorta "push two down with your fingers, pull the slider back to trap them, then hold the slider while rotating to access the third key." Notice that at no point did I say this was enjoyable.

DO NOT attempt to slide the keys themselves back. They will pop out, then disassembly's the only option. Push them straight down, toward the shaft, and pull the synchro slider back toward neutral.
 
Yeah I kind of tried that, no dice, but I didn't try real hard either. When I saw the first dog I thought it was a broken piece then rotating it around found the other 2 spaced equally so I figured out how they worked. I scanned through photos to try and figure it out from the Passon book I've got, but that is the most disappointing how-to book I've got.

FWIW it's going to come apart whether I can get it back in place or not. I'm primarily trying to see if there are any broken parts in it at this point.
 
Nothing looks terribly worn or broken from what I can see in the one picture. The synchro-ring teeth visible look OK, and those are the most-oft worn parts along with gritty-feeling bearings. A833s are pretty indestructible, really. If it rolls over nicely and no real sharp edges on the synchro-ring teeth are evident, I'd just run it. Of course, that depends on whether you can undo the overshift condition. The overshift is why it felt locked in two gears, a situation that's virtually impossible in that transmission assuming it has the stock PITA interlock side cover.

Yours is a 2.47:1 first-gear close ratio, which is the closest-geared of the A833s. It's one gearset that's thus far eluded my acquisition. It was used in the 1970 Trans Am E-bodies, and most everything else '71-'75.
 
Got it. Had to use the shift fork to hold it toward the right direction, then turned the input shaft and pushed the dogs down as they rolled around. One way I turned it wanted to walk the shift fork out of it but the other way helped hold it in there. Eventually it slid back where it should be. I put the sidecover and shifter back on it and it's working as good as it can. I will revisit the internals once I've got it on a work bench with good light.
 
OK, the block needs cut +.030. The heads are mostly worn out, guides in one are shot, valves are worn. Having both done started adding up to the price of one Eddie so I'm going to replace the iron heads with either Eddies or Trick Flow probably Eddies because trick flows seem like overkill for a stock stroke engine to me.

Machine work includes honing the lifter bores, cleaning up the deck just to make sure it's flat, polishing the crank. Reconditioning the rods, putting SpeedPro H116CPs on them, and balancing the whole mess with the factory balancer and a new flywheel. Planning to revisit this thread to find the post where Jass was giving out wise cam council and go from there. Staying with hydraulic FT lifters because I don't want to overspend on machine work just to have a roller cam. Need to get an order list together so they can get the parts in hand and are able to start and go until finished.

No reason to wait on call backs, I'm going to start hassling him (not really) regularly until this thing is done so I can move it out of the way before the A12 comes home. Will probably clear out space to bring the Duster back here and start disassembling it soon and try to get some kind of paint in the engine bay besides worn off rattle-can black .

One thing I keep wondering about are rocker arms, again trying to not overspend. I think I might be able to use plain old 273 rockers or steel Cranes (Mancini Racing - A Engine Adjustable Rocker Arm Set), but another part of me thinks these neat stainless steel jobs are pretty nice (MRE A Eng. Stainless Shaft Mount Rocker Arm Set). Pricey but nice. I don't favor aluminum because I remember the good old days when they would either gall to the shaft or spit roller bearings into the engine. (Mancini Racing Aluminum Roller, 1.5 Ratio)
 
Another option for heads is Speedmasters. If you can wait for it, they get very inexpensive on Black Friday. I've read a lot of good about them, and my own set (which were bare) are very nice castings--something with which the Elder Brock seems to be having issues of late. With a "perfect" 9.600" deck height (which you almost certainly don't have) and .028" gaskets, you're at a very-friendly 9.85:1 static CR with 68cc chambers. 65cc chambers would put you close to 10.2, still perfectly acceptable for pump gas with aluminum heads. My bare ones cost under $600 for the pair last Thanksgiving; assembled ones were around $900/pr if memory serves. Jegs currently sells a pair of 65cc assembled heads on eBay for $1,165 with free shipping. Other than checking for obvious casting/machining/assembly errors, the biggest issue of which I'm aware with the Speedmasters is that you need to be a bit creative when mounting the alternator. Apparently they're a bit too thick in that area and a little grinding is involved. I love that Ed L. Brock's heads are US cast, but their foundry seems to be slipping. Core shift and porosity have been problems in the last couple of years. There are literally people looking for vintage/NOS versions of still-available Eddy intakes because the current releases have terrible core shift. It's hard to correct ports that don't align.
I can vouch for none of them beyond an inspection of my own Speedmaster castings, so take that with a grain of salt. Still, the information is out there if you look for it. The Chinese heads seem to be changing some minds after a somewhat rocky start. I know none of the aftermarket heads require guide work to run cams over .500" lift, which is not true of OE LA heads--a required machining step (and additional coins) that your guy may not have considered.

If you have any ideas of installing a 4-speed, you might want to see if he can drill the crank further so you don't have to lop off any input shafts. Not all cranks are drilled deeply enough. Don't worry about the reaming, though, because you can use the neat-O pilot bearing from a Dakota (Timken FC69907) that pilots off the converter pocket. It also saves the hassle of pilot-bushing installation. Cheap and easy, just like Grandma. If you're not a fan of the needle bearing, you can replace it with the standard oilite bushing from the musclecar era (National PB286HD). It fits the large adapter perfectly.

The Mancini-branded rocker arms seem to be relabeled PRWs or Speedmasters. Mike @ B3 Racing Engines has told me they're not actually that bad if there's no glaring machining or casting errors right out of the box. If you want the most from 'em, he makes custom shims per measurements you take on your heads to correct the geometry. That being said, again, PRW/Speedmaster stuff goes silly cheap on Black Friday so the savings could be significant if you're patient.
Rocker arms--be they aluminum or stainless--galling to the shaft indicates an oiling problem. I've had various problems over the years but galling hasn't been one of them (aluminums don't seem to like staying adjusted). Regardless, I wouldn't suggest a roller-fulcrum arm of any sort for your purposes. Roller fulcrums bleed a lot of oil, which means the passage to the head usually needs to be restricted. Harland Sharp considers it mandatory; .095" for street and .075" for racing. That's not something of which I'm a big fan, at least on a street engine. Pushrods and valve tips need love too. I don't know if you followed my rocker debacle on Agnes, but the adjusters were smoked because the oil bleed-off from the offset shaft holes and poorly-installed end caps didn't allow them to be oiled correctly--and those were (are) not roller-fulcrum arms.
Hughes actually makes what appears to be a nice aluminum arm. Of course they stole the design, because Hughes (ask JC Corbett) . I have a set of eight 1.6:1 arms here, new, but I've not found a use for 'em yet. They are not roller fulcrum--only roller tip. I can't say if they're worth a damn, but they sure look like they're well-made.
The Mancini 'Crane dupes' are essentially copies of the LA solid-lifter rockers (273), so that's a "how much you wanna pay for the essentially the same thing" option. Yes, they're new and some folks with used originals want entirely too much--and you still need to (or at least should) swap the adjusters out for proper locknut parts. On the other hand, if you get the OE 273 arms as a complete set, you should get the banana-grooved rocker shafts. Those are pricey to buy in the aftermarket.
For my nickel, either of the ductile options would be the choice. In fact, I went on a bit of a hoarding spree years back and have a couple of NOS 273 sets, another reconditioned set, and two or three used. Other than the Hughes arms (which double as W2 exhaust arms, hence my purchase of them), those are the only rockers I have for standard LA heads. Not only that, but I have three full sets of W2 ductile-iron arms as well as ductile OE T/A arms... so yeah, I'm a fan. Anyone who tells you they're weak is apparently not familiar with the 1966 D/Dart's wild fast-ramp solid cam, heavy valvesprings, and production-line 273-2V rocker arms. You need to get pretty silly to break them, and I don't think you're going there.

As far as cam wisdom, I'll stick to my mantra: Call the professionals. And I do mean call, because their online and fax forms seem to get ignored. I called Lunati for a solid roller with a couple of ideas, but was talked into a custom grind bigger than I'd expected. He told me the specs and said it would be a "really fun" street cam considering the conditions where I live (small town, not a lot of stoplights, definitely not an urban setting with traffic jams). I expected it to be rather cantankerous, but he's the expert so I gave him my card number. The cam will idle down to 850RPM pretty comfortably. The little it's been driven tells me it'll be an animal when I want it to be, but no joke: I could've let my Mom drive the car to church.
Is this a glowing review of Lunati? Uh, maybe? In my experience, if you're honest with your cam grinder you'll be happy with the results, be it Cam Motion, Howard's, Comp (if you can get the latter on the phone), or just about anyone else. I've also heard really good things about Oregon's regrinds, though I have no experience with them. One nice thing about a regrind, though: You know you're starting with a good cam core.
 

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