tiny...aka 1958 lloyd

[69.5CUDA]

the jig is FINISHED full welded the millano is FULL leveled and all jig to frame supports are welded and everything is square within 1/16th...is also level across and diagnal within .020

now for my own bit of thinking above and beyond.....a limo or herse company doent need to worry about the suspension changeing as they are installing heavyer springs that are already expected to set the suspension to exactly what they want as they are ADDING to the car not removeing...

soo what i did is wld up braces that touch the car where i plan to weld it to the jig up front and to the sliders in the back...what i didnt do is weld the car to the supports as im going to strip the car down to the bare esscentials without cutting and then measure how much the body rises on the jig then shim and weld it in place chop my section out and weld the car back together....the idea here is i will be able to caculate EXACTLY how much the body has risen from stock and be able to tell at any given time if i need to re-adjust the suspension to compensate..even when the lloyd is completly finished i will be able to know if i need to dial the T-bars or cut a coil in the back to bring the car within specs

 

[a12bee]

Okay, at first I didn't quite see where you were going but by the last pics.... gotcha.:bravo:

 

[69.5CUDA]

after seeing a show on how they make herse's i did a lil more research on the jig setup they used and this jig is the result of it...crude but not far off from what they did back in the 20's-40s to do the same thing...course there line of perfection was WAY off lol

sure some coach shops still do it crudely and just prop everything up on jackstands and do it by lineing everything up however it lines up :cringe:

 

[69.5CUDA]

well the milly is almost down to the bone..windshield, trunk, rear bumper, sunroof, rear window and she will be ready to cut down to size..suspension has move CONSIDERABLY..about 2 inches so far......in the last pic look at the bottom of the pic..see the 2 red marks..thats the 20 inches that has to go

whoever thought up the idea to use 6mm counter sunk bolts for the door hinges should be shot...i broke 3 craftsman allen sockets and pretzled 2 wrenches...descided it would be easyer to drill and trashed 7 bits and broke 3.....20 bolts only 4 came out as intended

let me say this....ive seen alot of cars over the years...ive been thru piles and piles of cars out at the wreckers and ive NEVER seen anything soooooooooooo well built..the attention to detail on the most unseen of items..sound deadner with sound deadner with insulation with sound deadner then carpet.....most 80s benz and bmw's arnt even built this well

 

[69.5CUDA]

well was a nice warm day today ..i took advantage of it to its fullest..well around my wifes DR appt's

there is only 4 things left in my way of wich none mater...drive shaft(gotta get cut 20 inches) shift linkage(swaping for cable) brake and fuel lines.....the fuel lines are "odd" by all of our "normal" standard..the fuel lines run off the bottom of the tank with is just barely outside the car..down to the filter and pump then transfer to HARD PLASTIC lines and go inside the car all the way to the fire wall..even the return line and vapor line are plastic and inside the car..they are just getting moved and cut later

anyway all thats left on the car is the drive trane and the dash..anything else that could go WENT even the glass and sunroof...car is welded down to the jig and will not shift PERIOD..its weird to climb onto a car and have it rock solid and not give....

time willing the 20 inch section will be removed tomaro

 

[gomopar440]

:dave:

 

[69.5CUDA]

due to my health i had to kick back for all day yesterday and keep fairly imobile but it helped me plot out these next 20 pic;s

 

[69.5CUDA]

the jig worked like a charm ...the angle looks off cause it is...but that will be corected with some weight in the trunk to bring the rear suspension back down onto the jig guides..mind you the jig guides are still keeping it 100% straight and square..it just lifted a bit...ill toss some weight in the trunk and it will settle in at dead on level

 

[69.5CUDA]

well other than the need to cut out some more exhaust and remove the rest of the shift linkage thats all thats keeping me from slideing it back together...as a bonus ..if i cut the rear drive shaft half and welded it up its still driveable..brake lines fuel lines clutch..all still 100% intact even the wireing..tho i unpluged sensitive pieces to prevent a short or surge from the plasma

 

[69.5CUDA]

and a lil re-cap with some befor/after pics taken at the same position in the shop...20 inches doesnt sound like alot till its in front of you

 

[69.5CUDA]

now obviously ive gotta pull some width off the car as well as remove the rear quarter stuff upper firewall and a whole pile of other stuff from it...the primary concern was to retain as much structure as i could while shortening...once the shortening is completed ill reinforce everything where it is and square it up with a mild tube frame setup and then butcher it down to the bones of what i need...

#! concern is to keep it straight and true

 

[69.5CUDA]

well a lil more "fat trimming" :shifty:

a lil preventitive bracing :helpme:

and for you guys who still dont understand why...heres a "money shot" :giggedy:

 

[a12bee]

What kind of numbers does that thing do?

 

[69.5CUDA]

ya know...i was wondering that lastnight and will dig around and see what i can find

 

[BootHead]

as always, amazed keep it up

 

[69.5CUDA]

well the cuttings good anger management

anyway heres todays work...got about 90% of the "fat" trimmed off the milly..should be able to start fitting the lloyd to it VERY soon

for the alfa guys ive pissed off cutting up a 99% rust free car.[smilie=f:.i think im going to offer up the 2 clip sections for free as they could save a rearended or front ended car

started LOTS of fires and smoked myself out of the shop twice once with the industrial fan on high[smilie=2:.....just sound deadner and undercoating...nice thing about a plasma cutter pull the trigger and blow that shit right out!!!....and theres STILL 1/2 tank of fuel in that fuel tank :shifty:

ohh yeah someone asked about the "buisness end" of the car...well with the fat trimmed off there ya go!!!

 

[a12bee]

Heh, ain't much left is there?

 

[Diplomat_Wagon]

Heh, ain't much left is there?

Left of what?


What kind of car is that?

 

[69.5CUDA]

it "was" a 87 alfa romeo milano platinum

let me say this..on an alfa board where i ask alfa related questions...i posted 3 pic's and stired up a hornets nest ....much the same as if i had done this to a 70 hemi cuda and posted over at mofarts

a milano platinum was somewhat rare when built..for all of 2 years as an option..VERY special leather and suede interior limited slip diff power everything ...these days theres not many of them left...so yeah its kinda sad i cut it up but it was up forsale localy for 2 years!!! ..

125-150hp(unsure exactly)

1/4 mile: 15.8 sec @ 91 mph
0 - 30 mph = 2.4
0 - 60 mph = 7.1
0 - 80 mph = 12.3
0 - 100 mph = 18.2
Top Speed mph = 147
Fuel economy = 30 mpg
Stopping distance, Ft, from:
60 mph = 149
80 mph = 253
Lateral acceleration, g = 0.778
Speed through 700 ft slalom, mph = 72.0

 

[a12bee]

Wow, those are some surprising #'s.