Rusty's not very quiet cuda progress

Yea, my x is way back, there's a straight adaptor at the flange & the next piece is even longer that turns up into the X pipe.
My x is also part of the pipes that go right to the mufflers.

Yep since the header flange seems to be the low point, The only way they are going up would be that 1/2" shim under the tranny & that idea does not sound good to me, changing the angle of the drive line can only mean more stress on the U joints?

I think I'm gonna call it as good as it will be!
 
Looking at the way it has to be routed and the distance back to the X-pipe, I doubt I'll be going with TTi exhaust for my Challenger. The Pypes design looks to be about identical to the TTi, but in 409 stainless and with horrible-looking welded chambered mufflers. I expect I'll end up with another custom X-pipe and a Summit Racing exhaust kit.
 
Believe it or not a guy on the train board reminded me about the carb being level, which 68 brought up the first time, I never rechecked after the new mounts went in.
So today I did, & it is still leaning rear a bit, couldn't get a good spot on the carb so I did it on the air cleaner.
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Now with that in mind the tranny shims don't seem as much of a problem, I'll just be putting it back closer to where it should be???

So what say ye, shims or no shims???

running out of stuff to do (well that I actually want to do)
so I cleaned up the wiper arms, too bad I don't have the other half of the chrome ones, it cleaned up pretty good, guess I'm going with the originals.
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The shims certainly won't hurt anything. With everything essentially stock, the minor difference in pinion angle will never be noticed. It's not like Chrysler sat there and measured that kind of thing. You may gain a tiny bit at the exhaust, but it won't get you anywhere near the ballpark TTi suggests. The factory shims with which I've dealt are pretty thin... maybe 1/8"?

Concerning the importance of a carb being level fore/aft, this is the first I've ever heard of it. I can't imagine why it would make a difference. If someone can explain it to me, I'd love to hear it. The second you leave a stop sign, even calmly, the fuel sloshes both to the rear (inertia against forward acceleration) and to the left (inertia against the engine's rotation to the right).

Your carb is level enough. "Correcting" this non-problem won't affect anything. It's tilting at windmills.
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The "chrome" wiper arm is actually bright brushed stainless. The right wiper arm part number changed approximately 11/01/1971, but the left part number is the same for all five model years. The wiper arms are specific to E-bodies, so I'm not sure why you've got two different finishes. It may have been a cost-saving measure on later cars, but I've no way of knowing for sure. I know the arms on my '74 look like yours, but I've never looked closely at the '71 arms. Of course, the only picture I have of that area is when it was covered with leaves, so the arms are virtually invisible. I'll have to check the next time I'm at the storage locker.
 
K, when I had the 1/2" of shims in it did lift the back of the motor about the same1/2", So yes no where near the TTI # but that would get me to about 5 1/2 at the header flange, maybe the difference between a scrape & a wipe out? depending on what it has the fatal meeting with?
 
A half an inch of shims seems pretty excessive. Now you're talking degrees, instead of fractions thereof, affecting the pinion angle. I don't think I've seen a factory arrangement with even half that amount. Are you stacking them?
I won't tell you to not try it, but the first thing I'd do when the car can be driven safely would be take it out on the freeway to check for any sort of vibration at actual highway speeds (75-80MPH). If so, that's the first thing I'd suspect.
 
OK, maybe my theory of just putting it where it should be is not valid.
I was stacking 3 fat washers off my aluminum slots to get the 1/2"

Maybe I'll quit messing with that for now, I haven't even started it since the hangers were put in to see if the whole car shakes rattles & rolls?

Maybe it's time to do what I hate, elect bugs, the gas gauge hasn't moved, gotta test that & then see if I can get my new radio to tune, won't tune in my station which is a major one.
Oh yea & my seat belt buzzer fires up when I put it in gear, gotta plug the seats back in & see if that helps, cause it didn't stop when I clipped my belt on.
 
Maybe it's time to do what I hate, elect bugs, the gas gauge hasn't moved, gotta test that...
Have you got the fuel sender ground strap installed?

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If the sender isn't grounded, the gauge most likely will not work. The sender does not ground through the tank, because the tank doesn't really doesn't ground to the chassis very well.

An easy way to test the gauge and wiring is to simply run a jumper wire from the fuel gauge wire to a good solid ground point. With the key in the run position, the gauge should spike to full. If it doesn't, ignore the sender until you've figured out why (wiring issue or bad gauge).

...see if I can get my new radio to tune, won't tune in my station which is a major one.
If you have the antenna connected (and the antenna mast is installed) it should work. I'm pretty certain the antenna cable is hardwired to the base, so unless the cable's damaged there's no excuse for it not to work. Make sure your antenna ball is ~31" from the base.

That being said, very little importance is placed on the tuner section of modern electronics. Few people listen to the radio anymore, so the auxiliary inputs & Bluetooth get the lion's share of attention. A lot of modern "media players" can't even play FM in stereo.

Oh yea & my seat belt buzzer fires up when I put it in gear, gotta plug the seats back in & see if that helps, cause it didn't stop when I clipped my belt on.
Try latching the other seatbelt. If the seat switches are old, they may be stuck closed. I'm not sure though, because I don't think the car would start were that the case. One thing the hard-wired switch I sent you can't do is override how the module operates/affects the key buzzer.
 
My fear is it's the gauge, I ran a jumper wire from the battery to the tank ground strap, got nothing, gonna try to pull the kick panel & ground it in the harness plug & pray.
I DON'T want to pull that dash apart AGAIN!
sender is new, but that means nothing these days?

Radio picks up other stations around the 104.3 I'm trying to get, in the instructions there's a button or 2 to press & the radio will search the local area, gonna try that today.
will check the height!

I had pulled out the plugs under the seats, will plug back in today & see what I get.

Sounds like the same buzzer as the key in one, do they use it for both?
 
Easy one first, radio is tuned, did their search thing & it still took a few minuets but I got my station!

Then it was on to the gas gauge, took off the kick panel & grounded the wire there, gauge went up, moved to the rear, a royal pain to get that heat shield that I don't even need out, but finally did & grounded the wire going into the tank, gauge moved up. So then I grounded the jumper right where it's connected to the tank, nothing, so it's either the sender is not in right or is just bad.
Next job, pull that & test, but 1st I'm gonna put in 7 or 8 gallons of gas, I think the most I put in at once was 6 or 7, tank ain't that big should read that?

At least I'm happy that it's not the gauge, I dreaded having to tear into the dash again.

Then the seat belt buzzer, no luck there, plugged the seats back in & first put my belt on, buzzing away, then I latched the pass belt (with mine still on) still annoying the crap out of me!

I have to try again to get to that buzzer, I think it's all the way to the right on the frame of the dash, if I can pull a wire & it does not screw up anything else, that's fine with me!
 
Then it was on to the gas gauge, took off the kick panel & grounded the wire there, gauge went up, moved to the rear, a royal pain to get that heat shield that I don't even need out, but finally did & grounded the wire going into the tank, gauge moved up. So then I grounded the jumper right where it's connected to the tank, nothing, so it's either the sender is not in right or is just bad.
Next job, pull that & test, but 1st I'm gonna put in 7 or 8 gallons of gas, I think the most I put in at once was 6 or 7, tank ain't that big should read that?
The sender only installs one way. It's keyed.

If you've got a long enough jumper wire, strip one end of it and clamp it directly on the fuel feed line. Unwind a small hose clamp, use a large alligator clip, or even Vise Grips with just enough pressure to hold the wire and stay in place. Connect the other end directly to the negative side of the battery. Check the gauge. Nothin'? Then it's the sender itself. If it works, you've got a grounding issue at the sender.

The tank is only 16 gallons. If you already put in 6-7 and put in another 7 or 8, you'll have a gusher when you pull the sender. Big, flammable mess. Don't do it. You will have a huge fuel spill and a bigger fire.

Make sure the terminal in the wire is making good contact with the output stud. Squeeze it gently with pliers until you can feel the threads grating against the terminal as you install it.

Take your multimeter and check what the resistance is between the fuel sender body (the part touching the lock ring) and the output stud. It should be between 10 and 73 ohms. An empty tank is ~10, a full tank is ~73. If it's open-circuit (infinite ohms or millions thereof) then you'll have little choice but to pull and bench-test the sender. If you have to remove the sender, use a brass drift or punch to remove/reinstall the lock ring. If you don't have one, go find one locally. One spark while working around gasoline will be a lot more expensive than a $15 punch!

Then the seat belt buzzer, no luck there, plugged the seats back in & first put my belt on, buzzing away, then I latched the pass belt (with mine still on) still annoying the crap out of me!

I have to try again to get to that buzzer, I think it's all the way to the right on the frame of the dash, if I can pull a wire & it does not screw up anything else, that's fine with me!
The key-in and seatbelt buzzer are the same part (3780458). There are only two terminals on the buzzer itself, but there are three wires, all 20-gauge. One terminal should have single red wire (constant 12V+) while the other one has both dark blue and black/yellow tracer wires. The dark-blue wire connects to the interlock system at the module.

Were it my car, I'd unpin that blue wire from the interlock module connector and put a piece of heat-shrink over it. That would eliminate the module from activating the buzzer, but the key-in buzzer would still work. That probably requires the cluster coming out yet again, since I think the module is behind it. You could also simply disconnect the buzzer, which would also disable the key-in buzzer but affect nothing else. The third option is cutting the blue wire at the buzzer itself, which would still allow the key-in buzzer to work but disable the seat-belt buzzer. I hate cutting wires in harnesses, though. It always seems to create problems later.
 
K, checked the part #, it's the one I thought, it's mounted low on the dash frame in the right hand corner, took a quick look the other day & couldn't see or feel it with the glove & heater boxes in, will try again tomorrow.
Gotta see I think I might be able to get to the interlock module, if that's less destruction than the other side?
I'd rather just unplug than cut!

I'll check the ohms before I pull it.
I did a ground jumper to the grounding strap back there & got nothing, that should have covered both the sender & the fuel line.
sounds like an open circuit in there? (sender)
 
I did a ground jumper to the grounding strap back there & got nothing, that should have covered both the sender & the fuel line.
sounds like an open circuit in there? (sender)
It does, but I consider the factory ground strap to be a bit of a weak link. That's why I suggested connecting directly to the steel line itself. You'll probably get the same result, but it's worth checking before you have to open a huge hole directly into explosive vapors.
 
I thought you'd find this interesting. Lately removed from a '73 'Cuda and hot off the USPS truck:

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I have another original cable around here somewhere that's got the angled mounting bracket like yours, as well as a couple of cut-offs--also supposedly original--that appear to side-mount (the mounting surface is parallel to the handle).

I'd be lying if I said I wasn't confused. Next time I'm over by the '71 I'm going to look at the lower edge of the dash and the kick panel area to see if I can figure out what the heck is happening with these cables.
 
I left mine cocked, to get it straight it was almost rubbing the brake handle.

Wow, I don' think the dash mount is straight, just less of an offset than my handle, will defiantly look at hat tomorrow
Don't see how any could be mounted to the kick panel that's kinda flimsy?
 
OK, definitely an angle in the dash, looks like there might be just enough straight to mount a straight one all the way left, looks like another hole far left too? 20240615_140228.jpgSide is all kick panel & would think screws had to go through that to te metal, didn't look for mounting holes. 20240615_140252.jpg
Pesky buzzer removed, let the plug hang where I could reach it, she started & just the warning light on the dash lit, I guess I can live with that. 20240615_140836.jpg
Now if I can figure out a way to hang the left side of this on without it looking like a sore thumb I think I could call the interior done, I can't get it fully seated on the dash vent & whatever clip they had is long gone, as was this duct! 20240615_140748.jpg
 
K, had trouble getting a good reading between the fuel line & the ground strap, I had clear coated the lines, so I scratched it around to peel the paint & took it off & squeezed it tighter.
Moved the side on the tank end around to scratch that into the metal, got the reading now, my ohm meter must be off I got a higher than full reading on the wire post to base?
Now straining my eyes when I put the key in the guage does move a tad, there a white line behind the needle that ends shortly after, it moved enough to cover the line, but not even to the first line on the gauge.
I put in another 5 or 6 gallons, NO effect, so now I wait till I burn off some gas & pull the sender & see what that is looking like?
 

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