Rusty's not very quiet cuda progress

Tried to stay with names I have at least heard once upon a time, went with feel pro on most of the gaskets & the thermostat is a gates #33038 $6.24
the only other they showed was a motorad 206180 at half the price?

Any luck on the parts you were hunting for me?
 
It's not that Gates isn't a good thermostat, it's the design that may make a difference. Nobody makes the thermostat around which your cooling system was designed. You may not have any issue a'tall--you probably won't, in fact, and that's great. If you see you're running higher temperatures than you'd like, reference that thread. I've got a much wilder setup than you in the Valiant with considerably less radiator. With an NOS Mopar thermostat (Robertshaw style), that engine stays nailed at 180° coolant temp, idling in ambient air temps over 95°F.

I haven't tracked down the speaker grille yet, but I got distracted by Kevin's visit and three crazy days of work. I know that's here, in multiples no less. I posted the picture with the AC/heater controls in it, but yours has better chrome than the one I have so I didn't know if you wanted that bezel. You didn't comment (or I missed it). I definitely don't have valve covers, but you've got that handled with virtually the same parts I had. It also appears your pan situation is a non-issue. What else was I trying to find? Oh... rocker shafts. Not a problem there, I just need to clean them. I just haven't been in the garage much the past several days.
 
Yes speaker grille, shaft & that one bad rocker.
On the bezel, my chrome was gone too, that's white paint on mine, you letters look pretty good, I did a lousy job of touching up mine, so if you don't need it I will take the whole thing or if you need the rally one we can do a trade, I'm in that thing for 250, is that a fair trade?
 
hi temp primer
I didn't even know there was such a thing.

I've stripped the timing cover and oil pain, and just bought plain old etching primer to hit it with before shooting it with Dupli-Color. I don't expect that to cause a problem - right? I don't plan to prime the block at all.

I made the snap decision to paint mine orange just now, since I was in the parts store and it was right there in front of me. I'm skeptical of blue looking right with the Air Gap and E-heads.
 
Not sure on the primer, rustolium has 2, I bought 500, it actually says engine primer on the can, the other was like 2000 I guess for BBQ's & such?
 
& the ebay dash stuff ,I was really thinking I was nuts buying at those prices, but seeing them maybe just maybe it was worth it, the switch except for 2 faded spots where the clips go looks brand new.20230603_165900.jpg20230603_165729.jpgthe A/C parts I don't think ever were on a car, they look brandy new
20230603_165753.jpg20230603_165840.jpgSo even though it still hurts a bit I do feel a little better, now if only I had gotten the right switch bezel!
 
So after 2 more sessions of blasting I think I'm ready to try some prime & see if it sticks, I ran the grinder 36 grit, then some abrasive wheels, then blasted it some more, that's not rust showing it's what's under the chrome.20230604_154949.jpg
After hours of blasting on this, it just doesn't want to improve, may do a little more with a wire wheel in the tight corners but it should take paint ok?
Waiting till after the paint to clean up the mounting surfaces. 20230604_154958.jpg
 
I had some Cragar SS's that were pealing bad. Had them blasted to just rough the surface so that paint could adhere. Then rattle canned flat black. Almost 20 yrs and still no flaking or pealing.
 
On the bezel, my chrome was gone too, that's white paint on mine, you letters look pretty good, I did a lousy job of touching up mine, so if you don't need it I will take the whole thing or if you need the rally one we can do a trade, I'm in that thing for 250, is that a fair trade?
Here are some better pictures of mine, taken at short range. They'll expand to near-gynecological detail if you click on 'em.

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You can see the letters are far from perfect, the chrome around the edge is pretty worn, and the chrome on the controls themselves isn't great. Additionally, the blower switch is gritty-feeling and pretty clunky through its travel. By comparison, yours are absolutely gorgeous, so I don't feel a trade would be fair to you. I would feel much better about trading just the housings themselves, with each of us keeping the controls we have (blower switch, slider lever, control buttons and switch). I'm not afraid to disassemble the blower switch and attempt a repair, but I'd rather it was for my use in the event it doesn't last.
I had a friend stop and pick up some paint for me today, so I'm going to attempt to restore the bezel after I pull the controls from it and give it a good cleaning. I know I can get the letters near perfect (I developed a knack for painting raised detail years ago) and I think I can do something about the chrome too. Let me see what I can do with this thing; I'll post pictures of the results. If you like it, we'll trade.


I didn't even know there was such a thing.

I've stripped the timing cover and oil pain, and just bought plain old etching primer to hit it with before shooting it with Dupli-Color. I don't expect that to cause a problem - right? I don't plan to prime the block at all.
VHT and Dupli-Color also make high-temperature primers. I can't comment on 'em as I've never had a problem going direct-to-metal with engine paint in the past, other than aluminum parts. The alloy stuff gets baked in the oven, then etch-primed while still warm. Depending on how motivated I'm feeling, I may warm them again prior to paint, then again after painting to bake the finish. I get a little over-the-top with it sometimes, but the results are worth it, particularly in their durability. Some parts I've done are old enough to vote and still look really good after years of use. Hell, Not a Duster's rear axle assembly, brake parts and all, are old enough to drink.

I made the snap decision to paint mine orange just now, since I was in the parts store and it was right there in front of me. I'm skeptical of blue looking right with the Air Gap and E-heads.
Orange would be the color used on a '71 340, whilst blue would be for a 318. If you're leaving the heads and intake in raw aluminum or clear coating them, color really won't make much difference. The engine itself is no longer the focal point of the engine bay, only the heads and intake are. I would definitely clear-coat those, because it won't take long for them to start showing grime and dinge. Painted aluminum is much easier to clean and keep looking pretty, and soap/water are much better than any aerosol solvent, which just drives grease and oil further into aluminum's pores.

Well I think the surface is rough now by any standard, but I seem to find a way to mess up almost any paint job!
Your finish looks plenty rough, but I'd still use etch primer on any formerly-chrome parts just for added insurance. Go over the smooth surfaces with a brown Scotch-Brite pad, then clean everything with lacquer thinner or acetone. For best results, wipe down smooth stuff with a tack cloth (just like you would painting a fender) and dab at the rough-cast surfaces with one. Prime and paint to your heart's content. Unlike the interior plastics, this stuff shouldn't give you any trouble. I would suggest doing test patterns on cardboard or an old body panel just to get a feel for how each can sprays.
If you have anything made by Krylon, expect substandard if not disastrous results. I used to use it a lot, but their quality has completely tanked in the last several years. After the debacle that was painting my W2 engine's oil pan and valve covers, I will never buy that garbage again.
 
I actually used por15 engine paint (brushed on) on the other car.
The rest of the rock auto order cane today, I think I'm gonna have a ton of extra water outlet (stat) gaskets, one came with the new housing, a pack of 12 or so came in another shipment & I just got another with the thermostat delivery, this one looks better though, it's blue? but way thicker than the others, the ones in the pack looked paper thin, I'll get pics up when I get it all sorted out!
Paint also came, trying dupli-color this time? 20230608_185630.jpg
 
Hey Doc, on the switch, before you waste your efforts, let me attempt to take mine apart, I'll start with the bad one & if I don't ruin anything & it seems to be in my wheel house I'll dismantle the new & just switch over the parts, if I screw that up maybe I'll send the good one to you for your rehabbed face plate & the skills to switch it over, at the least a good steak dinner is in it for you!
 
The rest of the rock auto order cane today, I think I'm gonna have a ton of extra water outlet (stat) gaskets, one came with the new housing, a pack of 12 or so came in another shipment & I just got another with the thermostat delivery, this one looks better though, it's blue? but way thicker than the others, the ones in the pack looked paper thin, I'll get pics up when I get it all sorted out!
With a new housing and a good machined surface on the intake, I'd probably use the thinnest gasket possible. If the manifold surface is a little rough, then I'd use the thicker blue one, which I'll presume is a Fel-Pro or Mahle/Victor.

Paint also came, trying dupli-color this time?
That's been my go-to engine paint for many years. It's quality stuff.
I recently found some of the "correct" original paint codes/mixing formulas for Chrysler's engine paints and am looking forward to trying a couple of those: Corporate Blue on my Challenger engine and Chrysler "Hemi" Orange on a 340 I'm building to 100% OE 1970 appearance.

Hey Doc, on the switch, before you waste your efforts, let me attempt to take mine apart, I'll start with the bad one & if I don't ruin anything & it seems to be in my wheel house I'll dismantle the new & just switch over the parts, if I screw that up maybe I'll send the good one to you for your rehabbed face plate & the skills to switch it over, at the least a good steak dinner is in it for you!
I can swap the parts if necessary, but it's really straightforward. It's literally two screws for the blower switch, two more for the AC vacuum switch, and one for the temp-slider cable clamp. The only other thing is the oddball retainer for the temperature slider. That just gets pushed flat and slid to the round part of the keyhole, and it pops right off. You can literally do that one with your thumbs--no tools required. It's easier to remove after the blower switch is out.
 
I'll give it a shot next day I need to escape the weather out back & hibernate in the garage, or if I know me I'll waste some good outdoor time & get right on that while it's bugging me!
 
So finally the rock auto order which came from 3 places is all in, anyone need some stat gaskets I have about 12 extra, one came in the stat box which may be the one I ordered, another came with the housing & then a whole pack came in one box, I paid like 69cents so I won't complain & the pack is not even listed on the order form? 20230609_122033 (2).jpg
 
Got the engine parts ready for paint, if I got this babby a touch cleaner I could have clear coated it! 20230609_153646.jpgat least I taped off the rubbers, the other guy painted over everything! 20230609_155959.jpg2 coats a prime & 3 of the blue, blue thru a whole can of blue, maybe my 2 light coats weren't that light? 20230609_170638.jpgI guess now I'll have to start on the block!
 
Got the engine parts ready for paint, if I got this babby a touch cleaner I could have clear coated it!
I wondered for a second if you had painted it cast-iron gray, I've got to admit.

at least I taped off the rubbers, the other guy painted over everything!
The "last guy" might've been Chrysler. Valve cover grommets were painted from the factory...

2 coats a prime & 3 of the blue, blue thru a whole can of blue, maybe my 2 light coats weren't that light?
...and that's the reason why the grommets were blue. Chrysler (and everyone else) painted the engine fully assembled to conserve both time and paint. Everything got painted at once; even overspray was likely to land somewhere on the engine.

When I say "fully assembled" I mean it. Things painted while on the engine include:
  • The thermostat housing
  • The bypass hose and its clamps
  • Heater-hose fitting(s)
  • Plug-wire separators
  • Water pump and timing cover
  • Crank damper
  • Dipstick and tube
  • All the fasteners for the above
There also would've been overspray on the exhaust manifolds, negative battery cable and its bolt, and--on a manual-transmission car--about the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the bellhousing. The extent of masking was nothing more than small cardboard discs were placed over the holes for the distributor, oil-pressure switch/sender, and temperature sender. This was mass production, not careful assembly by artisans.

I missed the negative cable and heater-hose fitting in the intake when I did mine, and obviously OE engines didn't come with head studs, 10-quart oil pans and huge single-plane intakes. Other than those details, this is as factory-original as I could make the W2 engine look:

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Obviously, I masked off just the highest-contact parts of the hose connections just to avoid any cracked paint causing a leak, but even that was going a bit overboard. I keep a set of old spark plugs around just to plug the holes when I paint an engine. The factory didn't care that much and didn't bother, what with the exhaust manifolds being in the way and such. A little paint in the cylinder would've burned away in seconds... no harm, no foul.
I used a bit less than a can and a half of Rust-Oleum Industrial I-H red, which comes in 15oz cans. That's a tick less than two cans' worth of Dupli-Color engine enamel (11oz cans). I also spent very little time masking. Most of the overspray you see in the photos is actually from a different set of valve covers I tried to do in Krylon. I mention it because Krylon really has gotten that bad. More than half of the paint never hit the covers, but it ran and sagged like crazy before even covering.

I remember 6pkrunner's comment on Facebook when I posted that first picture: "Look at that beautiful goddamned bypass hose." 😂
 

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