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It's indirect infrared, 68. There's a heating element inside it that is warmed by nothing fancier than buffet lamps. Cold air comes in low, hot air exits high. It does not emit any infrared on objects around it, so it only heats air. The infrared lamps inside are inexpensive and very-low draw, but even used in conjunction with a furnace, the furnace will still run occasionally even if the heater's in the same room as the thermostat.

I did a ton of research into these a couple years back, when my friend bought one for his garage. I was not suprised when he said, "It's not useful as a main heat source."
 
Dr.Jass said:
2x4 walls and you brag of insulation? Damn... even mine are 2x6, ....
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Insulation used when your 2x6 was built was no where as efficient as todays stuff. Plus, sidewall insulation isn't really as important as ceiling insulation and sealing out the cold. Even a greenhouse holds in a lot of heat with only single pane glass. :huh:
 
Dr.Jass said:
It's indirect infrared, 68. There's a heating element inside it that is warmed by nothing fancier than buffet lamps. Cold air comes in low, hot air exits high. It does not emit any infrared on objects around it, so it only heats air.
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So, it's the same as putting a lightbulb inside a heat duct and blowing air thru it? :doh:

You'd be better off heating the objects in the room. At least you could stand in front of it and warm your ass while you wait for the air to warm up. :shifty:
 
This is why I hijacked this thread. :shifty:

I was thinking these weren't much more than French fry lights, but I was reading good reviews about these. None, however for a garage application. Mostly, "I got rid of three baseboard heaters and now I'm even warmer!"
I know why that is. I was just hoping it would work okay with the garage.
 
dodgechargerfan said:
"I got rid of three baseboard heaters and now I'm even warmer!"
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A good baseboard heater can be very efficient. The older type that are just a heat element go cold as soon as the thermostat turns off. :doh:These type are no longer sold for safety reasons. Newer styles use a fluid filled tube that's heated so, when the thermostat shuts off the power, the warm tube still gives off heat.
 
68R/T said:
Insulation used when your 2x6 was built was no where as efficient as todays stuff.
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Really? Has in-wall fiberglass insulation technology really gotten that much better in 15-16 years?

Oh, wait... no, it hasn't. The stuff I've bought for this house since I've owned it isn't as efficient as what's in the garage. Also, remember: R value is totally dependent on the thickness of the insulator, regardless of what type of insulation you use. Celotex has a great R value for its thickness, but I can tell you (since my house is covered in it) that you get some ice-fuckin'-cold walls where the thicker, between-stud insulation has settled (blown-in).

I have an old house. Wall construction, from outside air to inside, is: vinyl siding, Celotex, 3/4" cedar siding, 2x4 walls, and in one room drywall, two others plaster and lath, and in my bedroom I have the insulation I've bought after tearing down the paneling and losing the blown-in insulation. With two extreme air leaks to the roof vents, my bedroom is still the coziest room in the house. One outside wall of my living room is not only lath, but LDF stuck to the plaster while it was still wet. :doh: That's the coldest room! The blown insulation has settled, and with an infrared temp gun I've seen differences of almost 20° on that wall from the base to the ceiling.

You simply cannot buy insulation with the R-value of what fits into a 2x6 wall to work in one 2" thinner, without spending more than the 2x6 walls would've cost in the first place. If you squeeze the thicker insulation down, you're right back to what would have cost you less, because air's a prett-good insulator, and most insulation depends on it for its effectiveness. Check out the R value for concrete... pretty crappy.

I'm not bashing on Dip; he did a damned-fine job on this whole project and it's obviously working well. For that, I'm happy because he obviously is... and if he took offense to my comment, I apologize. I would be honored to spend some time working in his shop, regardless of time of year.

Nor am I making the balls big: I bought my garage as-is; it was already done. If I'd had to build one, chances are it wouldn't be as nice as Dippy's. I'll bet his house is much larger and nicer than mine, too!
 
No offense taken Jass. :) The way this 2x4 garage turned out if I had built 2x6 I could heat it with a candle. :D

My garage is WAY nicer and warmer then my 90+ year old 1,050sqft storey and a half two bed one bath house. :D


I found what was just as important if not MORE important than insulation is making your vapor barrier as absolutely air tight as possible and to put it everywhere, I have vapor barrier under the concrete pad even, keeps it from sweating when it's hot outside and helps to keep it warm in the winter by keeping moisture out of the concrete.

The walls and ceiling are air tight and there is even foam sill gasket under the walls between the wood and the concrete to keep out moisture and possible drafts.

The vapor barrier pockets around all my electrical boxes in the wall are air tight as well.
 
a full seal is truely the only way to do it..at that point the only real air leak is at the main garage door
 
I doubt mine is sealed that well.. The windows are shit, and my overhead door is a serious air leak since the "Imperial incident." :D The old girl stays pretty warm, though, when I have fuel for the furnace. It only runs once every, I dunno, 35-40 minutes, and it's not on for very long.

I'm in the same situation, Dipster. My house is a lot less efficient than my garage.
 
Heh... it was pretty simple, really. I was trying to back the Imp into my driveway, which is approximately a foot and a half longer than the car. Because of the position on the property, the sun hits part of the driveway in the winter but not all of it. Snow melts, then re-freezes into essentially black ice. I'm trying to back the car into the drive, and I can't get past the ice... so I'm using the across-the-alley neighbor's driveway to get a run at it. It's a longer run every time (not much more than the distance across a 1-lane alley), but she just spins and spins with the front end still hanging out into the alley. On the last run, while spinning but still making progress, it finally caught just good ol' snow with solid pavement beneath, and launched the car through the garage door. As soon as I felt the lurch I hit the brakes, but I'd already pushed the door in about a foot, dislodging the left-side rail from the wall and yanking a whole bunch of wood out of the stud. Every screw-hole on that side of the door is ripped out, and the rail is bent a little. There's nowhere left to anchor the rail using the original-style hardware. There's a slight gap with the door closed, but not enough to sweat it so I've never really attacked it like I should. I could probably fix it with a couple of golf tees, a hammer, and 20 minutes but I kind of like the "nice going, Stupid!" reminder. :D

The Imperial and the door itself were unscathed. Just the one rail was damaged, strangely enough.
 
Dr.Jass said:
I'm in the same situation, Dipster. My house is a lot less efficient than my garage.
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Even my 16'x8' overhead door is draft free! :dance:


Finished installing the major necessities, beer fridge and stereo. :giggedy: :D

Oh I also finished the bench with a nice little hutch and sheeted the shelf and installed 14 5/16" lag bolts securing the bench to the wall. (Thanks to ClobberingCattle for the tip. :) )

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Man, your stereo imaging is going to suck with speakers placed like that... mine were scientifically place to suck! :bwuhaha:
 
My garage has 2x4 walls. I covered them with 5x8 plywood. My bench is made out of 2x6's and lag bolted to the wall. I'll try and get some pics tonight. That thing is solid!

I always intended on putting outlets across the front of my bench. I am going to mount them underneth facing down so they are out of the way.
 
Diplomat_Wagon said:
Stereo image what? :D
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Exactly... in the garage, it's just background noise and you're never in the sweet spot anyhow. However, I'll have to get pics of the go-to-hell speaker mounts in my garage. When I finally get speakers built for my house, the ones in my living room are going back out there for good. They're serious overkill for a garage, but then again when I built them I was still using the Compressor of Hate so they had to be. Hell, they're overkill for my living room.
 
I've always liked having good quality powerful stereos in my work spaces, it's just nice to work in there with the tunes blasting nicely even when your running air tools. :dance:
 
I'm not working on mine, dude. I don't even have components yet, much less cabinets! I thought you'd decided to use your house stereo out there?

Jeez. People get so touchy after 6½ years... :D
 
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