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Dr.Jass

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Might as well get a progress thread going on the 1969 Valiant Signet as well, though there won't be much to report on it at regular intervals for awhile.

Thus far, since dragging it home I've gotten it running, which was surprisingly easy despite decade-old fuel and somewhat gnarly plugs (not that I checked them first). I dropped the distributor back into it approximately where I guessed it should be and ran it on a Diet Coke bottle full of gas with a squirt hole in the cap until the really-nasty stuff in the lines and carb were flushed. It ran well, but the noise from the valvetrain was, uh, impressive. The previous owner had started a valve adjustment--he said he'd finished it--but I don't believe he quite grasped the difference between .020" and .200" as you could nearly chuck a cat between the valves and rockers on several, OK most, of the valves. I adjusted the lash and other than the exhaust, the engine is now as quiet as a Bernie Sanders supporter when asked about Venezuela. I replaced the valve cover, performed an oil and filter change, and called that done.

Of course, the engine then developed a dead miss, which I attributed to The Eternal Sucking of Points combined with the weak compression I noticed on one cylinder while setting the valve lash. As is standard practice 'round here, I ordered up a Pertronix Ignitor and flung the Kettering trash in the appropriate receptacle. Once again, I can't recommend the Ignitor enough. It's ridiculously easy, reliable as a stone ax, and works 1,000 times better than the best point setup by Chuck Kettering himself. The car started more quickly, revved better (it's a 225 Slant, don't get too excited), and had a noticeable improvement in low end torque. The remainder of the ignition system at that point was exactly as I acquired it, including cap, rotor, and wires. A quick change of the plugs and not surprisingly, it improved further.

I still have very little idea where the timing is, and the idle mixture needs to be set. Alas, I have more important things to occupy my time at the moment so those minor irritations can wait, as can the needed exhaust repairs.

Future upgrades include replacing the bad LH front rail and upgrading the front of the car to the Kelsey-Hayes small-bolt 4-piston disc brakes. Even further in the future, it might find a smallblock between the rails and 8.75" axle under its rear. Things I don't plan to change include the interior, column-shift automatic, wheels (I'll get center caps), or the paint color (I may go to a different shade of white). The vinyl top will most likely disappear, but I think I will probably go with a painted roof if/when that happens.

As she sits right now:

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there was a time i was fighting to try and find a set of those wheels..i have exactly...one...they look drop dead stunning UNPOLISHED on white bodys
 
Got any shots of the interior? Shame about the roof peeling.. I rip those off and cover the roof in brush on undercoating or truck bed lining.
 
I'll probably paint the roof gloss black, as was optional on Mopars through at least '70. It still used the vinyl-top mouldings, so it will be a "correct" way of keeping the black top without the awful look and terrible consequences of actual vinyl. I never really understood the whole vinyl concept, really, other than the color contrast. I usually don't even care for that, but on this car's roofline it really works.

Interior shots:

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I have no way of knowing whether it's 144,000 or not. The mileage part of the title is blank. It doesn't really matter to me anyhow. I like everything about the little beast pretty much the way it is. Yes, I might go to V8 power one day, but it's not something I think is a "must do" project. Otherwise, expect no major changes to it. I'm merely going to replace the factory oil-pressure light switch with an 18PSI part, and to be honest I don't even want to sully the interior with a tachometer.

A seat cover is the biggest issue. Nobody makes one. It's 1969 Valiant Signet only. The 100 and 200 got a different seat, as did all the other A-bodies. I think I've found a place that can make it, though. I bet it won't be cheap. :(
 
absent wear on everything id wager that 44 is right...ive not seen anything with without replacement parts over 80k that look that good
 
I really want Legendary Interiors to get off their high horse about 100 point restoration, and make generic, but nice seat covers for the rest of us losers with bench seats. All my cars are four doors. Why cant they make an affordable option for us? One for each body and generation, in.. 4 of the most popular colors? I'd gladly drive my truck full of non split bench seats up there for prototypes.. If the *$*@*% clutch worked... They'd rake in the dough. I'd drop $150 on a generic rolled and pleated bench cover guaranteed to fit my car. I'm sure most of you would too. They're clearly not going to reproduce correct sedan specific stuff. Although I'll bet those cars will become more popular as Barrett Jackoffs drives all of the two door stuff out of our reach. Look at all of us fawning over a lowly Valiant as proof.
 
i just see an a body....valiant or other wise means nothing to me...im actualy thankfull its NOT a dart

funny you mention the bench seat skin issue...i too wish they did..cause my 67 fish will STAY a split bench forever....tho i love my worn out crush velvet tuck centers on the current one..that have faded to a purple from the black
 
I'm a big fan of the switchgear and dash on this car too, Snausage. I'm also glad it's a Valiant rather than a Dart... I love the '69 Dart, but I'm a big fan of the sedan roofline. It just doesn't seem to work on the Dart, though--which is probably why you rarely see them (they do exist).

69.5, did you ever come up with anything on a rail for me?
 
Upon receipt of my annual blight ticket for having unregistered cars in the yard, we brought the Valiant down to work to spend some quality time, and Stee-retch and I got the chance this past Saturday. I took the opportunity to replace the tires with new BFG Radial T/As in the 235/60R-14 size all the way around. It was a huge improvement over truck-profile 225/70R-14s that were in the back, with a little extra muscle up front over the 205/70s that were there. Stretch put one of the old fronts on my spare A-body Sprint (slot mag) so it's now got a sorta-matching spare. Stretch was also kind enough to clean the majority of the dirt off the wheels; they're not nearly as corroded as they looked in older pics. I have new reproduction center caps, but the screws that came with them are too small so it's still running bare in that department. While I'm not a huge fan of the BFGs in the performance department, mostly because they suck in that area (they're rock hard), there's no denying they just look so damned good. This car is neither a corner burner nor a straight-line hellion, so ultimate traction took a back seat to appearance and tread life. I consider the rubber upgrade a Hugh Jass improvement.

Stretch dropped the tranny pan before I was there and cleaned it out, as well as pulling the horrible-looking filter. Swell fella that he is, he also drained the converter. I adjusted the rear band, but the front was spot-on so I didn't mess with it. While I was under there, I took the opportunity to crank up the line pressure and fling the accumulator spring, because, you know, Slant Six. I'd laugh my ass off if I got a chirp on the 1-2, but I did it anyhow. Unfortunately, there were some well-hidden issues with the transmission pan's bolts. One hole is stripped, and another has a broken bolt in it, so it's been bleeding its fresh Type F all over the place. We were going to change the U-joints, but the ones in it were so freakin' perfect we decided not to mess with them. Not surprising considering it's a tilt six that's been pampered. He monkeyed with the timing a little, but just set it at 6°BTDC for the time being. Amazing how much quieter a car can be when the plugs aren't firing as the pistons are running away from them. :D

We only got a few pictures while we were working on it. We were working on custom LED box lighting for his truck as well, so we were pretty busy, but I'll post the few I took.

Our co-worker Austin spent part of today running new exhaust, and is halfway through replacing the rotten original system. I was very happy to find out that the original exhaust manifold isn't cracked. It had a bad leak in that area which I thought for sure meant a new manifold (Dorman astoundingly sells one, but it's not cheap!). That leak turned out to be at the pipe flange gasket. Never one to be anything but totally silly, I instructed him to put a reversed Y-pipe on it, splitting the exhaust into duals with a pair of turbo mufflers. Because 115HP six, damn it. We started it this afternoon with none of the pipes yet welded, and it actually sounds pretty damned good! He's going to weld everything up tomorrow and run the tailpipes. Even though I've been sitting on a pair of A-body tips for a long time, I'm just going to run turndowns at the back bumper. I just think they fit the car better.

Stretch had some free time this afternoon around closing, so he tried to set the timing on it. He was shooting for 30° total (because we're both fucking goofy, that's why), but apparently she's got some stuck flyweights or broken springs because there's only around 4° mechanical advance to be had. He just set the initial at 12° BTDC, and also adjusted the idle mixture, which I'd foolishly done while the timing was a mile off.

I'll say this, the little Signet has been an amazing runner since I un-fucked the .200" valve lash and reinstalled the distributor. Putting the Pertronix (Ignitor I, it's a God-damned six!) in it made it even better, and after Stretch's tinkering with the timing and mixture, it literally rivals an EFI car at this point, without all that pesky horsepower. :D I'm giddy as a schoolgirl to hear it run with the exhaust finished since the still-leaky preview was as good as it was. If I remember my camera tomorrow, I'll try to get some A-V with it running so anyone interested can hear it. It's not nearly as dorky as you'd think. :dance:

Pictures:

This one should illustrate quite nicely why I needed a LH frame rail so badly... someone get me an all-beef patty and some mushrooms! I was never able to get fully under the car to get a good shot of it until it was on the lift:

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This is the transmission filter that came out of it. Look closely, and you'll see the draw opening for the valve body... that's right, kids, this is the top of the filter. :doh: The pan and fluid were amazingly clean, and the trans works fine, but this filter weighs about a pound. No, it's not rust. It's, well, shit... I don't know what it is, but the thing worked. New fluid and filter, and reassemble. What else can you do?

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New filter all snuggled into place, bolted to a freshly-adjusted transmission featuring no accumulator and as much line pressure as the adjustment would allow :D :

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Oooh! Shiny!

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New shoes awaiting Stretch's professional installation and balancing:

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Crappy cell-phone picture taken after going back outside, showing off the new shoes while awaiting her new sound:

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I totally failed on the trany pan bolts. How in the hell did I miss the one broken off and the one stripped threads. I did however do a nice job of cleaning the wheels. I'd like to tell you I scrubbed and scrubbed but in reality all I did was break them down, remove the valve stems, spray some Castrol Super Clean on them and hit them real quick with a scrub brush then rinse them off.

It's been fun working on it. I love the damn thing. Can't wait to get it on the road again.
 
Speaking of the stuff on which we worked last weekend, you should start a thread with some nice big pictures of my awesome box-illumination idea. That fucker looks like an interdimensional time portal at night. :D
 
Before and after cleaning pictures of the wheels. I took these with my phone so I hope the difference shows up.

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looks mighty fine!...

back when i had the white 68 fish..i tossed a set of crager ss....and it looked way off..to wich i was like WTF they should look good....grabbed my 1 and only small bolt slot and stuffed it on it and BAM..it was right

there is something about white cars and slots they just look RIGHT
 

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