Rusty's not very quiet cuda progress

I keep being told "that road runner's going to be worth $100k when its finished." Yeah maybe, but it's going to cost me $200k to get it to that point.
No offense, but I can't see that being a six-figure car without a build sheet or data tag. If the trunk weatherstrip rail and core-support numbers are there, that certainly helps, but without the options or factory drivetrain I just can't see it going that far. I also can't see how one could put even $100K into it without farming out virtually every aspect of the build, including assembly. My "best of everything" Challenger project will come out at less than $40K. It's only a 318 car, but everything E-body specific is brutal on the wallet. Your bodywork is more extensive than mine, admittedly, but it seems like you got a decent shop that's doesn't appear to want to retire on your car alone.

There's a reason I go to the Jefferson swap meet twice a year. Even if it's not for the car currently on my plate, a screamin' deal is a screamin' deal and this is my hobby--there will be more cars. I look at eBay and online-vendor prices for 4-speeds, and giggle that the most I've ever spent was $500--and that was a Hemi 4-speed that came with a complete Super Shifter and blowproof bellhousing. I bought an A-body unit with factory Hurst two weeks ago for $400--the second-most expensive one to date.

Damn, I guess I should be happy I only lost 10.
It wasn't about the money anyway, It's the building for me, after it was done I really didn't drive it much, maybe with a radio & A/C if I ever get that working I'll drive this one more?
You'd better drive it! You clearly love the 'cuda model in particular, and wanted to have one for yourself. If it's about anything else, you could've done all this work to a taxicab B-body ('68-'70) or an A-body for far less investment. It might not bring the same return, but if it's about the journey rather than the destination, who cares?

If you want to use the OE-style compressor, you'll either have to rebuild it yourself or send it out. I haven't found anyone reliably selling remanufactured V2 compressors outright. Parts-store replacements are single-cylinder York compressors (Ford style) which fit and do work, but not nearly as well. To rebuild it yourself, the parts hunt alone is nightmarish. Virtually every part is long discontinued and nobody in the aftermarket stepped up to make any of them (switches, and possibly the clutch are still available). Worse yet, there are a bunch of variants of the V2/RV2, so you need the serial number unless you're 100% sure it's the original compressor. The only way to find anything: Have the same-year parts catalog as the compressor, and know how to use it.
As a bonus kick to the groin, the design is not as simple as one might hope. It's a bit tricky to rebuild. Up through I believe 1975, a conversion to R134 is also more involved than just a Schrader-valve and hose swap (R12 hoses won't hold R134--it leaks right through the material). The early compressors use an EPR valve that cannot work with R134 and needs to be replaced by a temperature-compensating switch. I'm still looking into this, actually.
I'm currently experiencing all of this nonsense, since my '71 Challenger's AC is 100% intact, and I'd like to make it functional. Luckily my compressor turns smoothly, which means I probably don't need a crank and rods, but things like valve plates, pistons and piston rings are both hard to find and fairly expensive.
There are multiple good reasons that people switch to the Sanden-style compressors, not the least of which is the weight alone. It's also less expensive, and in the long run parts are easily replaced. Places like Original Air Group can help you with either option, and will probably help you decide which is best. I would think they'll steer you into the Sanden conversion based on cost alone.

The guy I got at summit was pretty good, he said the tool was not in stock & gave me the bolt size, which I of course screwed up at first. when the new bolt got here I checked the threads & measured it, it's a 3/4 bolt with 16 thread teeth.
He also mentioned heating it up at 200 for 30 mins. before install & a little grease on the snout.
monday I'll order the cover, gaskets & a new seal & muddle along from there.
It was in stock, though--that's part of my point. I put "Mopar balancer installer" into an internet search and the Summit listing for the Performance Tool set was the first or second link. Typing the same into Summit's own search bar brought up the Proform kit.

When you're looking for something specifically for a Mopar, do yourself a favor and try a Mopar-specific place like Mancini Racing. They might not be as pleasant, and if you do happen to pay more, at least you know you're getting solid advice and the right parts. That's worth a few sheckles.

I can see how heating it up would help (especially when you haven't got the right tool), but it also makes it a pickle to handle while you're trying to do it. Oven mitts aren't well-suited to holding a balancer, so if you want to go that route I'd suggest doing a couple of practice runs to develop a method with the balancer cold. Trying to formulate a plan with a scalding-hot part in your hand is not fun. Also, grease will not want to stay on the balancer snout as it'll melt and drip off at that temperature.
I've never heated a balancer, even in my youth when I installed them with light hammer raps until the bolt would pull it the rest of the way. I do not recommend this method at all. Not only can you pull the crank threads, you can damage the balancer. Even expensive ($200+) installers are cheap compared to replacing a crankshaft!

Put grease on the balancer snout, yes, so it goes through the new timing cover seal smoothly (smear a little on the seal, too). A little light oil on the installer threads (motor oil works, 3-in-1 or gun oil are great) are highly recommended, too. Trying to lubricate the crank snout won't accomplish anything. The balancer will simply push the lubricant out of the way as it moves along the crank. It won't lubricate anything or ease the process. Even light oil, which I have tried in the distant past, really doesn't seem to make any difference.

With an actual installation tool, I've never found any reason to try lubrication or heating. I install them dry and cold with clean threads. It's not hard, and I've never had an issue. When it's going on straight, it's a smooth and drama-free process.
 
I'm always late in finding the right stuff, Mancini has a kit for 177, cover, gaskets, seal & a water pump.
I already bought a gates pump.
anybody need a pump?
I'll see what summit comes to tomorrow, I'd hate to be stuck with an extra pump.
 
K, if all else fails my auto zone right here in town has it in stock!

Way back when all this started, the kids were off to college & I actually had some free time, needed a hobby, the hunt for my original 'cuda didn't get far, started messing around ebay & bought the car I never should have bought, knowing it was from long island, but I dragged it home anyway.
Well I got a rude awakening on that baby, but I'm a stubborn (now old too) fool & I decided to do it anyway.
This car was actually a 74 (like mine) with A/C & for 2500 I couldn't pass it up, didn't know it would take me 12 years to get to it.
I do like the work, some parts a tad more than others.
I will drive it, just when it's done I'll be looking for something else to keep me moving, no sure, if I can find a place I'll go back to the massive HO train collection I got from Dad & had up a few years when we had an empty room (no basement here) but even that when it was done I rarely ran them, mostly when the grandson came over, I stsrted buying junk lots of engines, rebuilding those & reselling most, kept some of the better stuff just to keep busy!
The garage may end up as the new home for the trains, not sure yet?

Some of what He had.............002.jpg001.jpg
 
Model railroading, to me, is more about building the set than running it. It's also about collecting, which your Dad clearly knew. I tinkered with it for a short time, back when a close friend and his Dad were building a monster set in their basement, but he and I both kind of drifted from it around the same time.

For me, it'll be cars. They've been my life's obsession since I was too young for school and I don't see that changing. I seriously made an effort to walk away from this hobby twice. Obviously I wasn't successful either time.
 
The local junkyard guy inherited a huge collection of trains and setups from his father. He took up the hobby, at least as another way to wheel and deal. I don't think he's going to be running them around the track any time soon though.

My obsession is bicycles. Somewhat mechanically challenging, but everything is light weight and hassle free plus it's fun. Then there's the fitness aspect of it, as opposed to me sitting around fitness this foot long sub in my mouf.

I've never been a collector of anything but at some point it became more trouble to sell them than it was worth so I've got about 6-7 of them. There's one I would never sell, some I would sell if anyone actually wanted those old-but-not-classic ones, and some that aren't worth selling. Anyway, I switch between hobbies - cars, golf, guitars, home repair, but bicycles have been constant for about 55 years now.
 
I was huge into bikes as a mechanical distraction in the years prior to my driver's license. However, as soon as I was able it switched to cars. When I bought my house, the garage held an early 1980s Redline Stu Thomsen signature BMX bike very similar to the one I had as a kid. I loved that bike; it was the best 20" bike I had, bar none. The one found in my garage completely failed to move me, which was a bit of a disappointment to be honest. No desire to keep it, no warm nostalgic feeling. I wanted to want it, but I just didn't care. I ended up parting it on eBay for money I considered obscene at the time.
 
I must be older than you because I missed the BMX years. Went directly from banana bikes to 10-speeds, then to mountain bikes. We did some proto-mountain biking on the banana bikes though. That might've been more fun if we would've had BMX bikes actually.

I've had a ton of bikes that not only failed to move me, but I would've been happy to cut up at the time. I bought a Salsa dual-suspension bike that I never got to stop ghost-shifting long-term. I remember several back in the day that were endo-machines, not a good trait for something you're riding on steep downhills. Stuff like that takes all the fun out of it.
 
Rod & washers came, they shipped the nuts from a different location?
So I pulled the cover, there was a little rust on the crank so I ran a wire brush through the threads & scotch brite on the outside & gave it a coat of grease to hold it.
measured the depth of the threads & the gap to the edge & marked the rod, put a little air tool oil on the threads & very gently screwed it in, went to the thread mark by hand & stopped, I did NOT try & go deeper if I measured wrong.
Should be plenty deep to pull the balancer on without harm to the threads.20231010_112417.jpg20231010_115040.jpg
Really don't want to mess in here anymore but how much play should be in a timing chain? 20231010_113659.jpgWhile I was messing around I put the jack brackets in the trunk, now I have to hunt down a spring! 20231010_123817.jpgYea yea I know there supposed to be welded but I forgot about them before I painted, not welding in there now!
 
The timing chain should be fine. Before you put it together, though, do you have a crank slinger for it? I'm pretty sure that engine was built with one. You've probably got it lying around there somewhere. It looks like this installed:


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unfortunately what you see is what I've got. there was nothing in there when I opened it up, should I try & hunt one down?

Oh yea forgot to ask, I just put that pan on with all new gaskets, (front rubber seal) when I tried to put the cover back on it was tough to push down on it to get the bolts started, think it will be ok?
 
unfortunately what you see is what I've got. there was nothing in there when I opened it up, should I try & hunt one down?
Its function is to deflect oil away from the timing cover seal, slinging it up onto the timing chain if the oil slshes forward (like during hard braking or travelling downhill). It also keeps oil from rolling off the front of the chain and the crank gear. It's nice to have, but not strictly necessary. Not all engines got them, so you can certainly live without one.
Should you decide you want one anyhow, they seem to hover around $15 w/free shipping on eBay. The link is limited to US sellers only. Most of the descriptions only show big-block engines, but every V8 from the 273 to the 440 and Hemi used the same slinger. The part number never changed.

Oh yea forgot to ask, I just put that pan on with all new gaskets, (front rubber seal) when I tried to put the cover back on it was tough to push down on it to get the bolts started, think it will be ok?
It should be a bit tough because you need to compress that rubber gasket. As long as the gasket was centered and seated on the oil pan correctly, you should be fine.
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Drifting back to the wiring debacle a bit:

Due to my recent back problems, I haven't been in the garage at all. If you didn't read the thread, I ended up in an ambulance. I did not forget about your override switch; I just can't work on it until my back is OK. It'll probably a few more days until I'm ship-shape. I'll get after it ASAP.

Also, I gathered up the wiring harnesses I'd bought for my own '74 and started checking them. I need to swap three of 'em out for earlier (1973) parts: dash, forward lamp, and AC. I want nothing to do with that interlock BS or anything that smells remotely like it. I hadn't ordered an engine harness yet, and the rear lamp and clutch switch harnesses are the same from 1972-'74.
 
It's gonna be quite a while for me to get to actually trying to start this thing, so don't even worry bout it, get that back stretched out & feel better.
I'll go check out the sling ring thing, can't hurt to have it!
 
Does anyone do anything right anymore, the nuts came, not just 3 but 3 packs of 3, now I have enough nuts & washers to make 3 tools!
I rechecked my order I ordered 3 nuts & paid for 3 nuts! 20231011_121052.jpg
 

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