Rusty's not very quiet cuda progress

My my I'm old, I don't remember where anything goes.
to put 2 little braces in it took me 2 hours. Had to look up my old pics & then had to tap out on of the nuts, the defroster vent is in the way of a couple of bolts. I now wonder if they should even be in yet!
I think I'm gonna see if there's any assembly videos out there to give me a refresher course! 20230706_144220.jpg
 
Just found a post on that jute padding, it goes on the inside of the top of the fire wall I hope to heck I don't have to pull the heater box out, to be continued!
 
The dash pad arrived today, now if I can get 1000 other things done I can put it together.
Guess I'll have another extra barracuda emblem! 20230707_161635.jpg
A little rough around the defrost vents, but I don't think it will show?20230707_161658.jpg
There was some padding here & there on the back of the old one have to see if it's needed & what I can use for it? 20230707_161751.jpg
New grille inserts also arrived today, car +2 bank account running for cover! 20230707_162727.jpg
 
The defroster vents were pretty awful on my original dashes, too. That was part of the maybe-too-accurate aspect of Bob's pad that I mentioned. That area can be trimmed with an X-Acto knife if it bothers you, but I think once it's installed you'll have to know it's there to see it.

I may call Bob and see if he's buying cores. I'm up to six E-body dash pads as of last night. I've gotta start thinning out my inventory!
 
So I started to take the bracket off the old heater valve, then I noticed you have to break off the lever to get it apart, it's pressed on I think, sooooo if I can't adapt the bracket I'll have to hunt down another , hopefully rock auto will take it back? 20230707_163853.jpg
 
Looking at it closely in that last picture, it looks like there are four tabs to set where it sit on the shaft. After that, I'm guessing it's spot-welded but I can't say for sure. I'm not sure how you'd remove it without damaging it.

If you go back to my last post on the page 142, I linked to a couple of NOS/NORS valves like your original. I wanted to look and see if I could find the old Four Seasons or Murray numbers today, but with my back messed up I literally could not lift that catalog binder (it's about 9" thick). However, the one valve lists 74644 and 83461 as alternative part numbers taken from a "March 1980" catalog--but the seller doesn't say which company's catalog (I can think of four major players at that time). 74644 is Four Seasons' current number for a Toyota Tacoma valve, which may mean they re-used the number after years of discontinuation. That's a guess, of course. That Toyota part was the only luck I had with either number in terms of heater valves so far.

I'm also wondering if my '74 came with a heater valve, and if so, which one. The correct one for my '74 is not the same, but I may have gotten a replacement one with the car. Lord knows where it is, of course. At the moment I'm not in much condition to look everywhere but I can try the obvious places over the weekend.
 
I'll take a hard look tomorrow if I can mount this one somehow, if not I'll get the one (without the dang box) on ebay, I searched the #'s & so far only the one I got shows up, I will check the toyota one just in case?

OK that comes up totally different just one tube system.
 
Yeah, I knew the Toyota one was wrong. I think Four Seasons just re-used the number that may have been for the right valve 35 years ago. These two were the only ones I could find that were the same as what was on the car. Virtually everywhere else, the B-body one shows up if you try to cross the factory number.

I didn't check places like Deception Pass, Arizona Moparts, etc. because while those guys might have one, it's going to be NOS and ridiculously expensive.
 
I'm heading out there in a while, I will mount the old one & then see if there's a way to mount the new & end up in the right location, I hopre the cheaper one doesn't sell before I get back in!

So on that rally bezel, after all the ebay fees & BS I ended up with 107, I guess better than nothing!
 
OK, Rube Goldberg night have made the save, took it out there & set the old one in place, looked like I could cut on the angle & put the old bracket on the new valve, got the old cleaned up, now if & it's a big if, I can figure a way to clamp it for welding & get it welded I'm saved. 20230708_134549.jpg
 
while that was tumbling I checked out the jute padding, did manage to get it in without removing the heater box, defrost duct & bracket was all I had to remove, did my best not to glue the whole car! 20230708_130632.jpg20230708_131947.jpg20230708_132054.jpg
 
Success! We have a heater valve...........20230708_143607.jpg
Put a big bead in the back where it won't be seen. 20230708_143638.jpg
Don't know how my racing stripe will look when I untape it, maybe I should have painted the whole thing?20230708_151531.jpg
 
OK just ordered the speakers the good Dr suggested, the front middle I'll try & adapt the one I have?

Looking at TTI's website, there's a couple of things I need to call them about.
1 should I go X pipe or H pipe crossover?
what do you guys think?
2 they say it won't clear a certain rear sway bar, not sure about that, pretty sure mine is stock?
3 They will weld on 2 1/2 tips at a price of 411, I think I would let them take care of that.
4 Not sure about the header adaptors to the pipes, if I have to weld those in or if they are bolt on.
the system is 807 either X or H + tips & shipping!

Gonna look at year ones system later.
 
There is a very minimal increase in power & exhaust resonance X has over the H.
 
It's all very dependent on the length of the crossover with an H-pipe. The shorter the better. The H-pipe gets less effective as the crossover length increases. If the cross pipe is over about 9" long, it's hardly worth the effort to make one.
X-pipes give a smoother exhaust note and are a bit quieter than an H-pipe. I started my Valiant on open headers, and again after I installed the X-pipe (but no further exhaust). It was less raucous and definitely smoother-sounding than straight off the headers.
 
OK, sounds like X is the way to go, a nice little rumble is all I want, a little more power is always good, now I have to see what they say about the sway bar.

I guess I could delete it, the reg barracudas didn't have one if I remember correctly?

Now Radio well speaker wires, do I just buy speaker wire & run one from each speaker to the radio area?
I would need to do something before the dash can be finished & the carpet installed.
 
If you're using an aftermarket radio, you'll need a pair of wires to each speaker, a positive and a negative. Generally speaking, the positive will either be marked with a red dot, other times it's a wider terminal. Keeping track of which is which with locally-bought speaker wire can be a hassle, but many places sell it with clear insulation where one conductor is copper-colored and the other is silver. I always used the copper as positive as an easy way to remember. Other sources sell it where one wire has a tracer, which I use for negative (personal choice) while others sell it with a constant row of marks, one positive and one negative.

Screwing up the polarity won't physically damage anything, but it definitely won't sound as good. Also, if you screw it up on one speaker and not the others, that speaker will be "out of phase" with the rest, hence cancelling out some of the sound. Make sure you get it right on all four corner speakers!

Luckily, aftermarket stereos have been using universal color coding on their wires since the 1980s. Not all colors are present on all stereos, but you'll definitely have the following:

Red: 12V+, key-on/accessory. This can be wired to the original radio plug. It must be fused.
Black: Ground, usually with a screw lug on it. It can be connected anywhere there's a screw and good ground. It must be connected. DO NOT allow the stereo to ground through the antenna lead.
Yellow: 12V+, constant (battery). This can be connected to the clock lead if your dash has one, a "BAT" connection on the fust panel (also if present), or any fuse with a constant 12+ power source regardless of key position. This wire is both the main power lead and what maintains the radio station presets, clock, etc. Make sure this is a solid connection; don't just jam a wire behind a fuse. Buy a fuse tap if you must. The wire itself must be fused.
Blue: Power antenna, or remote turn-on for external amplifiers. Since you don't have either, simply tape off the end of this wire (unless it still has its factory insulated terminal, which is fine). This wire provides 12V+ (goes hot) when the radio is turned on, so it must not ground.
White: Left front speaker positive connection.
White with black tracer: Left front speaker negative connection.
Grey: Right front speaker positive connection.
Grey with black tracer: Right front speaker negative connection.
Green:
Left rear speaker positive connection.
Green with black tracer: Left rear speaker negative connection.
Purple: Right rear speaker positive connection.
Purple with black tracer: Right rear speaker negative connection.

Other wires you may or may not have on the back of your radio:

Orange: Illumination. This will dim the radio's display when the headlamps (technically dash lighting) are on. It doesn't seem like a big deal, but it's like part-throttle kickdown: You'll hate it if you don't connect it. Modern stereo displays are friggin' bright at night.
Orange with black tracer: Dimmer. This dims the display when the dash lighting is on, but will control that brightness with the dash panel dimmer. Very cool; also pretty uncommon.
Either of the orange wires (but not both) can be connected to the orange wire on the factory radio connector, or any orange wire behind the dash.
Blue with white tracer: Remote turn-on for amplifers only. It cannot run a power antenna.

Use 16-gauge wire for everything. Leave all of the factory wiring (dash REAR SPEAKER knob, crossover box, etc.) out of the loop. Make sure none of the speaker wires will ground, either now or with use (avoid pinch or wear points). I usually run them under the sill plates, behind the kick and rear interior panels. Routing along the tunnel and under the rear seat seem convenient, but if someone sits back there bad things can happen. Radio go boom, or worse (overloaded electrical system: smoke, stench, fire etc.). You may never have anyone back there, but even kneeling on the seat for a minute while you're back there can lead to disaster, so run the wires along the side of the car.

The red and yellow wires must be fused, so if the inline fuse holders are missing they must be replaced and have the correct fuses installed. You can ignore this warning if your stereo is new and cool enough to have the fuses mounted in the back of the chassis (many do, I suspect yours might be one of 'em).

Now that I've explained everything's function, here's a lovely quick-reference chart so you can remember the wires quickly:

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I would highly suggest installing "bass blockers" inline between the stereo and the dash speakers. This will keep bass frequencies from reaching your front speakers and distorting the sound or damaging the speakers when you're cranking Springsteen on a warm summer's night. Any local car-audio shop should have 'em on-hand. You have options here:
Go to the local car-audio place and ask the man for "600 hertz bass blockers." They should simply plug into the speaker wires (white and grey, no tracer) but if he just hands you a pair of bare nonpolarized capacitors (that's all they are), just solder 'em anywhere in the positive wire and heat-shrink 'em.
If online shopping is your deal, Amazon (wire-in) and Crutchfield (plug-in) both have 'em.
If you're truly a DIY kinda guy, just get thesethese[/url] and put them in the positive leads. If you have a local electronics shop like a Frye's, you just need 68µF (microfarad) nonpolarized capacitors rated for at least 50V. That's literally all they are.
Yes, this is technically what the OE crossover box accomplished, but it's rated for different-impedance speakers and the components are most likely leaking or otherwise damaged. Even if it was perfect, it wouldn't work correctly since factory speakers are either 10- or 16-ohm and your replacements are only 4.

So now you're wondering about the center speaker. Odds are you'll never miss it, and in 99% of cases I'd say just plug the hole with the original speaker, leave it disconnected, and call it good. Were a customer having me install a stereo in a 3-speaker dash back when I was doing this stuff professionally, that's what I would've done every time. Making a center speaker sound good with the two corner speakers involves quite a bit of fiddling with the wiring and it's by no means intuitive (nor does it seem to make sense electrically speaking). Best results also come from having three speakers of the same efficiency (loudness at the same volume setting) which I don't think is the case with your setup.

If you insist, I'll post how to do it. I just don't think it's worth it, and in your case I think the center speaker would actually be considerably louder than the two corner speakers. It's larger and has multiple drivers, both of which usually make a speaker more efficient.
 
Now I have a headache!
I intended to run the rear speaker wires with the rear light harness under those side covers on the drivers side. That speaker place had 100 ft rolls of that clear (copper/silver) wire.
I have (well I hope their still there) a local car audio shop, I was gonna stop in & ask some of these questions, I've seen a few replacement radios on the net, look like the old with new guts, I think around 800.
I was leaning towards letting a pro do it, but what you just posted it looks pretty basic, I guess I'll have to decide & then buy the radio & see if I'm up to it.
Guess the cost of the pro might be an issue too?

At the least I'll have to do the rears to the dash & the dash to the radio area before putting things back together.
 
The stock-looking one is the same whether you buy it from Classic Industries, AMS Obsolete, or just about anywhere else. They're made by Antique Automobile Radios out of Tampa, FL. The least expensive version I've found is from Vintage Auto Radio in Salem, WI ($698+shipping). In fairness, I didn't shop around all that much.
It has RCA plugs for external amplifiers and an auxiliary input (a single 1/8" stereo jack, like Walkman headphones) built into the back so you can plug in a portable stereo that plays CDs, cassettes, or MP3s. They also have Bluetooth to connect to your smartphone for music or hands-free phone calls. The wiring does not follow the aftermarket convention for some reason, but the diagram is on the back of the radio. Make sure you follow wire colors and the color of the heat shrink around each pair! Why they couldn't just follow the convention, I don't know. Probably costs too much for that many different wires.

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If you prefer chrome buttons, order one for a 1970 or '71 model. 1972 through '74 factory radios had black buttons. The buttons are the only difference between the two.

I can't speak to the quality of these units. What I know is that they're all based on the same $20 all-in-one chip about the size of a postage stamp. The trick lies in adapting that chip to work with the factory-style controls. In the case of the E-body radio, the whole assembly is a reproduction so I've no idea the quality of the case or external appearance items. Regardless, at $700, rest assured they've been marked up at least $500 between Antique Auto Radio and whomever's selling it. If the chip fries, you need a new radio. Mere mortals cannot easily access just the chip, nor will anyone sell you one.

Don't worry about the output wattage rating in regards to your speakers' ratings. The "4 x 45W RMS" claim is utterly preposterous from a single chip, especially with a 10A fuse. 5-10W per channel is more like it. Anything that can make 45W through four channels is going to need a 20A fuse, period. It's Watt's Law, not Watt's Suggestion. This isn't a point of contention exclusive to this radio; literally all aftermarket stereos do the same thing.

You should still install bass blockers in the positive wires for the front speakers. That's because of the speaker size, not the stereo. A 3.5" speaker cannot easily reproduce a kick drum.

If they're like the older conversions, do not mess with the tuning knob unless the radio is powered. On older units, you could move the needle with the knob with the power off, but when turned on the needle no longer indicated the frequency. Yeah, it's a minor annoyance but annoying nonetheless.

Voice of Experience: Do not buy a radio from Custom Autosound or Ken Harrison. Both have been constant sources of complaints for literally decades. If a radio for sale has a part number starting in CA or KH, keep looking.
 
Slow progress today, every little piece is fighting me, after all the bagging & tagging I did hardware still eludes me, needed 9 screws for the bumper filler, managed to scrounge up in the "extra screws" department. the corners were even worse, I had some but the holes were gouged out & had to find bigger ones, finally got them on, they have really deformed over the years. 20230710_155523.jpg
Bump-er brackets are ready to go paint on hardware is drying as we speak.20230710_155539.jpg
Got one heat shield on, had to mess with the fuel lines a lot to get it in there! 20230710_154837.jpg
Can't do the other till I figure out a cap for that extra return line, but while I was under there I removed the nut on the electric connector & the wire connector went down further & feels nice & tight! 20230710_155251.jpg
Jass, there's the clamps! 20230710_154905.jpg
Heater valve ready20230709_135430.jpg
Not the straightest tape line ever!20230709_135454.jpg
 

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