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In February I purchased a 1973 Plymouth Roadrunner. I call it a car in a barn in plain sight. I am the third owner. It is a 340 v8 with a four bbl carb. It has a three speed slap shifter. The car is a stripe delete and that is also on the fender tag. The reason I came looking for a forum is the tach mounted on the hood. The second owner who knew the first owner tells me it was a dealer installed option. I know from personal history that options existed that were added upon request. I started the full restoration right after the purchase with the emphasis on all original. In that light I am trying to find evidence or confirmation that this was a dealer option available at that time. We are less than a month away from driving this car and the plan is to put the story and pictures on here once I have time to catch up .
To explain the car in barn comment. I had been looking at this car in a small museum in Clarksville, GA for two years. When I asked about it, they told me it was for sale. It had not been driven since 2008. I am seventy four years old and the is the first restoration I have been involved with.
 
Welcome to the board....I had a 73 340/auto Roadrunner years ago...fun cars!

As for the hood tach...Yes there was a Direct Connection/Hustle Stuff hood tach available back in the day, would need pics of the one you have to confirm if it is a dealer unit or not. Should have part numbers on it that can be searched up and determined if it's a dealer piece or not.

As for your question about it being installed at the dealer when new...no way to confirm this unless you had some paper work to verify it being installed at the dealer. If it's an original Direct Connection/Hustle Stuff Mopar piece then I'd leave it in place.

But from I've read they were notoriously inaccurate even when new, and the cost of repairing them is usually less then the new reproduction units that do actually work well.
 
The "Hustle Stuff" tachs were made by Dixco and were arguably more accurate than the cluster-mounted units, which are also notoriously inaccurate. My friend's NOS '68-'70 Tick-Tock-Tach is off by more than 500RPM (!) with the engine at 3,000RPM, fender-testing against a known-good aftermarket unit. His OE in-dash on the test car is off by 300.

That being said: The Dixco/Mopar units were much taller and rounder than the GM hood tachs, and have a chrome "button" in the face centered on the needle's pivot point. Below that button is the white/blue rectangular "Chrysler Parts" logo. They were black and required paint-matching, which is something a dealer probably would've done on a new car were they adding one.

I'm pretty certain the "Hustle Stuff" era was over by '73, but the tachometer was probably still available via DC, which was in its infancy. Considering what's required to put a tach in a standard Rallye cluster (new carrier, lens, and auxiliary gauges plus the tach itself and its wiring), it's very plausible the original buyer wanted a tach and that was the most cost-effective option.

I'd keep it on the car. Match it to the original paint color during your restoration. If accuracy is important they can be calibrated. It ain't cheap, but is probably far less expensive than fixing the hole in the hood.
 
I forgot to include the picture! This is what the geniune units look like. The outer housing is removable for painting.

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Thanks for the information I will get a look at the car later today and get the information. We cleaned the entire underside of the car before the work began of rust removal, rust prevention, inspections, repairs and replacement of parts that were at the end of their useful
Lives. It was during the cleaning
That we saw painted markings, letters and. Numbers on the housing and axle cover. They have been protected as we believe they were placed in the car. During assembly Z.
 
The information given is great. The picture confirms the tach on my hood. It is exactly like mine.
We have the engine back in. We located some of the paint used on the engine blocks. It now sets proudly in place, blue to indicate that the car came with air conditioning. The contrast to the orange air filter makes me smile.
I am recovering from knee surgery and will be slow in getting some photos posted. I will have more questions , no doubt
 
As of the start of model-year 1972, all Chrysler engines were blue whether they had AC or not. I've owned two unmolested 1973 340 cars; neither had air and both were blue. In '94 I looked at a Charger for sale. Next to it was basket-case '72 Charger Rallye, one of very few built with a 440 Six Pack. The engine was blue.

In the case of the 340, engine color was as follows:
  • 1968 (& some very early 1969): Red
  • 1969: Blue (it is not the Corporate Blue used '72-up, it's a one-off '69-only color that fades to a bluish turquoise)
  • 1970-'71: Street Hemi Orange
  • 1972-'73: Corporate Blue
Air conditioning did not affect the color of any Chrysler engine. In some cases, HP engines were orange while the standard variant was blue or turquoise, such as the 1970 440.

There's a lot of bad information floating around, particularly in "restoration guide" books which are notoriously wrong. Screw-type hose clamps were only used on taxi/police packages*, the only cars with black engine bays were either black body color or C-bodies, front suspension components and floor/trunk between the framerails were not painted, etc. Museum or not, unless you bought the car new don't assume that what you find now is how it left the factory. The Michigan State Police museum has a "restored" '69 Fury I squad car on display that's an absolute disaster. Never mind that it was originally a 383-2V car and now has a 440 Six Pack; the details are just tragic. They even refer to it as a '68 on the website, bless their hearts. Still, it's a museum piece.

And for God's sake, unless your car is a very dark color (B9, F8, T8, Y9, X9), paint the front of the radiator yoke black! If you want to be truly restoration-correct, it should be done before the grille/bumper/valance is installed and sprayed upward from approximately a 45° angle--the guy at the factory that did this job was standing in a pit shooting overhead. It was by no means a precision operation; it's usually pretty sloppy and any horizontal surfaces will show body color on top. It's fairly common to find dark-color cars with the blackout, but I've never seen a factory-paint lighter or High Impact (gone by '73) color that did not have the yoke painted. Chrysler did not want body color visible through the grille or valance opening. It drives me insane when I see a "100-point" restoration without the yoke blackout.

If you don't want to leave factory-unpainted parts like brake drums and suspension components uncoated, get yourself some Pioneer T58A spray paint and use thin, light coats. It is the closest I've ever found to a natural steel/cast iron finish. I've strove to find better but never have. I buy it by the case (6 cans).

Another fun detail: If your car originally had "Magnum 500s" ("styled road wheels" in Chrysler terminology) the brake-drum faces were painted red so it would show through the openings (the rest of the drum was unpainted). E5 Rallye Red is generally accepted as the right color, but I-H red is close enough. Want it really correct? Apply it sloppily with a brush and install the wheels while the paint is still wet. That's how the factory did it. Board member Stretch's '73 Charger Rallye came with those wheels (which were always 14"). There's red paint stuck to the back of the original rear wheels to this day, and the drums showed it was very obviously applied in a hurry with a brush.

The most important thing to remember is that these were not precision-crafted automotive jewels, they were mass-produced junk just like Slant Six Valiants or 318 Coronet wagons. Assembly-line guys didn't treat them any better than the cheapest Dart. They literally got the Hemi into the '68 Super Stock A-bodies by using a sledgehammer on the RH inner fender.

* Screw-type (worm gear) hose clamps were a factory-available option. In 30+ years of looking, I've never seen it on a build sheet other than police/taxi packages. Get a set of proper Corbin-clamp pliers and you'll probably prefer them to screw clamps anyhow (I do).
 
I was about to write a reply when I began to wonder if this conversation should be in another topic, or forum. Not yet familiar enough to know the proper terminology. Can keep going here in "first time" if that is the way to do it. Can you please advise, of if I have missed an instruction that I need to know, just point me in the direction.
 
Most of us who have active projects (or largely inactive, in my case 😂) start a build thread over in the "progress posts" section of the forum. I have three "active": one each for my Valiant, my Challenger, and the long-neglected Imperial. You can post updates, photos, and ask questions. If someone knows the answer, they'll let you know. Build threads are usually the most-viewed ones because we like to see that someone's working on their Mopar, even if we aren't. 😖

I would suggest doing that, and adding any photos you might have. Everyone here loves pictures. Also, type slowly since some of us don't read so fast.
 
Another fun detail: If your car originally had "Magnum 500s" ("styled road wheels" in Chrysler terminology) the brake-drum faces were painted red so it would show through the openings (the rest of the drum was unpainted). E5 Rallye Red is generally accepted as the right color, but I-H red is close enough. Want it really correct? Apply it sloppily with a brush and install the wheels while the paint is still wet. That's how the factory did it. Board member Stretch's '73 Charger Rallye came with those wheels (which were always 14"). There's red paint stuck to the back of the original rear wheels to this day, and the drums showed it was very obviously applied in a hurry with a brush.

doc ive gotta ask, cause its ALWAYS bugged me and untill you wrote that i had no idea the who what or why of it

my 67 fish, had that EXACT treatment on all 4 drums...but im not aware of the magnums coming in a small bolt...maybe that was true of the KH "road wheels" for the a-bodys?....same exact sloppy thick brushed on and obviously stuck to whatever wheels it left the factory with
 
Well, the KH wheels were only available for a very short period in 1969 before being recalled, so they wouldn't have been on a '67. Other than those and Rallyes--which didn't arrive until 1970--there was no other styled wheel available in the BVD pattern. Why that would've been done on a '67 born with plain steel wheels is beyond me. The only thing that makes sense is that all four drums were pulled off a different, later car years before you got it.
 
hell with that in mind i wonder if maybe they bought the car late(i mean lets face it not all cars flew off the lot) or saw those wheels were comming out and had to have em...its one of those..never say never with ma, thats always kept me wondering
 

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